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Mar 1, 2017 9:25 AM
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Hello,

Please see attached picture. I have 3 fixed factors and 1 random blocking(Year*Location) effect. I ran the factorial analysis using REML.

How do I do student's t pairwise comparison of any two means of the treatments in REML model?

Also How do I obtain the **MSE** and **MS Blocking** from the given table?

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Click the red triangle at the top next to Response and select **Estimates** > **Custom Test**.

See **Help** > **Books** > **Fitting Linear Models** and search for "**custom tests**" for more information.

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Click the red triangle at the top next to Response and select **Estimates** > **Custom Test**.

See **Help** > **Books** > **Fitting Linear Models** and search for "**custom tests**" for more information.

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Thank you Mark!

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Re: How to do student's t pairwise comparison of two means in REML model?

Also where can I find the MSE and MSBlock for this desigb?

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Re: How to do student's t pairwise comparison of two means in REML model?

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Mar 1, 2017 12:52 PM
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It is right in front of you!

The MSE and MS Blocking are in the REML Variance Components Estimates table. The first row is the random block effect with its variance component (MS Block) and the second row is the residual variance component (MSE).

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Re: How to do student's t pairwise comparison of two means in REML model?

Oh I see!! So the **Var Ratio** is the F-test for the Blocking effect?

Does it mean my Blocking is ineffective if it is not significant?

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Re: How to do student's t pairwise comparison of two means in REML model?

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Mar 1, 2017 1:06 PM
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No, the variance ratio is simply the variance component of a random effect to the variance component of the residual (error), such as blocking to residual. It is a relative measure, such as the variance due to changing blocks is three times the error variance.

There is no F ratio or hypothesis test. Instead you can use the equivalent confidence interval estimates. If the interval contains zero, then you do not reject the null hypothesis at the stated level of significance. If the interval does not contain zero, the you reject that the variance is zero.

Note: depending on your REML options, negative estimates are possible (they are really covariances) in order to produce unbiased estimates of the fixed effects and tests with the desired coverage.

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Re: How to do student's t pairwise comparison of two means in REML model?

So based on my analysis result, my confidence interval of Blocking contains zero, I do not reject the null hypothesis. Therefore I can conclude the variance is zero?

How do I interefere the effectiveness of my Blocking this way?

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Re: How to do student's t pairwise comparison of two means in REML model?

And How do I know if there is any Block*Entry interactions?

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Re: How to do student's t pairwise comparison of two means in REML model?

We say that you blocked as a precautionary measure to minimize the impact of the potential external source of variation (not inherent random variation in the response, not a random effect due to changing a factor level) but it was unwarranted. The random effect of the blocking was not found to be significant in this experiment.

That's all.

Your second question is meaningless. A block is either a group-specific addition to the intercept (fixed block effect separate from interaction effects) or a random effect (sampled less frequently than residual). It makes no sense that a block is included in any interactions. If it did, then it means that the effect of the factors (the way things work) changes from block to block. Then it is a factor that you failed to identify or control.

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