Auto-suggest helps you quickly narrow down your search results by suggesting possible matches as you type.

Showing results for

- JMP User Community
- :
- Discussions
- :
- rule-extraction algorithms for verify the Artifici...

- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Mark Topic as New
- Mark Topic as Read
- Float this Topic for Current User
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Printer Friendly Page

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Nov 30, 2016 6:03 PM
(1168 views)

Hello,

I recently start to use JMP Pro also for the artificial neural network.

I would like to know, how can I verify the neural network architectures with JMP?

E.g., using the mathematical expressions, symbolic logic, fuzzy logic, or decision trees...

I read that this system could resolve the "black box."

Thank you so much,

Angelo

2 ACCEPTED SOLUTIONS

Accepted Solutions

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 1, 2016 7:17 AM
(2293 views)

Solution

After you run a model, you can click the red triangle at the top of the outline for that model. You have choices to view the network **diagram** and you can also show the **estimates**. The structure of each node depends on your choice of the activation function.

What else do you need?

Learn it once, use it forever!

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 7, 2016 5:32 AM
(1953 views)

Solution
*The prime reason to make uniform random factor tables is to explore the factor space in a multivariate way using graphical queries. This technique is called Filtered Monte Carlo.*
*Suppose you want ***to see the locus of all factor settings that produce a given range to desirable response settings**. By selecting and hiding the points that do not qualify (using graphical brushing or the Data Filter), you see the possibilities of what is left: the opportunity space yielding the result that you want.
*Some rows might appear selected and marked with a red dot. These represent the points on the multivariate desirability Pareto Frontier - the points that are not dominated by other points with respect to the desirability of all the factors.*"

This quote is from the help portion about the prediction profiler command to output a random table:

"*Prompts for a number of runs and creates an output table with that many rows, with random factor settings and predicted values over those settings. This is ***equivalent to** (but much simpler than) **opening the Simulator, resetting all the factors to a random uniform distribution**, then simulating output. This command is similar to Output Grid Table, except it results in a random table rather than a sequenced one.

So it is a simple way to obtain a **uniform** random simulation of the predictors and the model prediction of the response. It has the same purpose as the Output Grid Table command.

The Simulator function gives you much more control over the nature of the variation of the predictors and additional random variation of the response. It is primarily for assessing process capability but obviously has other applications.

Learn it once, use it forever!

8 REPLIES

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 1, 2016 7:17 AM
(2294 views)

After you run a model, you can click the red triangle at the top of the outline for that model. You have choices to view the network **diagram** and you can also show the **estimates**. The structure of each node depends on your choice of the activation function.

What else do you need?

Learn it once, use it forever!

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 1, 2016 10:46 AM
(1138 views)

Thank you so much Markbailey,

Too easy for quickly found ... :)

Satisfied with the JMP software and its support.

Do you know if there are some publication or conference paper that describe the Estimates of ANN in JMP? Because for publicating the data, I have to support my analysis and my publication with the correct reference/s based on JMP.

Regards,

Angelo

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 1, 2016 12:56 PM
(1127 views)

You might search for such references. I don't have any at hand.

Commercial software vendors do not generally publish their numerical methods or code because it is proprietary intellectual property. JMP offers this page as a resource to users to help them establish the quality of JMP.

Learn it once, use it forever!

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 2, 2016 9:57 AM
(1092 views)

I have further information from JMP Development about your inquiry. They say that it is difficult to verify neural networks (NN) from any software product. NN are not like linear regression where the coefficients and predictions will be the same no matter what product you use. Every product will be very different. The best you can do is use crossvalidation to assess the predictive performance of the data mining models. If there is a strong need to verify the models that are used then stay with least squares and logistic regression.

I included a JMP white paper that addresses as much as we can say about NN in JMP.

Learn it once, use it forever!

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 2, 2016 5:16 PM
(1067 views)

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 3, 2016 7:52 AM
(1046 views)

AngeloF88 wrote:

Is very easy to do this simulation in JMP. If you know, what is in JMP the difference, between a random tables and simulation from the profile?, are bolt two type of Montecarlo simulation?

Please clarify the tables ("random tables" and "simulation from profile") to which you are referring before I can answer your question.

Learn it once, use it forever!

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 6, 2016 2:12 PM
(994 views)

Hi,

Thank you so much for reply me!

I read the JMP documentation, section prediction profiler Options. And I found that "Output random table" is the filtered Montecarlo technique, while the "Simulation" is just a Montecarlo simulation that uses the random noise.

I do not know the difference between the two techniques and what method is better, I have to study better this two difference. If you have some advice , it is well appreciated. However, I have checked that Montecarlo simulation takes more time than filtered Montecarlo technique.

I have to do this in the profile of the neural network. Therefore I thought that it could be a Hybrid ANN-Montecarlo simulation.

To help to understand:

For random table,

1. I selected the option neural

2. I clicked the red triangle in the model

3. I clicked the option Prediction profile

4. I clicked the red triangle in prediction profile.

5. I selected Output random tables.

For simulation, I performed the same procedure, but instead of clicking the "Output random tables", I selected the option "simulator". I clicked the red triangle and selected "Simulation Experiment".

I adjusted the noise in the interactive cells and selected the random variable.

- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Get Direct Link
- Email to a Friend
- Report Inappropriate Content

Dec 7, 2016 5:32 AM
(1954 views)

This quote is from the help portion about the prediction profiler command to output a random table:

"*Prompts for a number of runs and creates an output table with that many rows, with random factor settings and predicted values over those settings. This is ***equivalent to** (but much simpler than) **opening the Simulator, resetting all the factors to a random uniform distribution**, then simulating output. This command is similar to Output Grid Table, except it results in a random table rather than a sequenced one.

So it is a simple way to obtain a **uniform** random simulation of the predictors and the model prediction of the response. It has the same purpose as the Output Grid Table command.

The Simulator function gives you much more control over the nature of the variation of the predictors and additional random variation of the response. It is primarily for assessing process capability but obviously has other applications.

Learn it once, use it forever!