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etmsni
Level III

Does JMP's loglikelihood value include a constant?

When JMP shows the loglikelihood value, does it set the constant to 0 or some number? Thanks!

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peng_liu
Staff

Re: Does JMP's loglikelihood value include a constant?

In this context, the constant C is not a known quantity before seeing the data. In general, when one says the loglikelihood does not include a constant, that usually means that MLE is not affected by subtracting the constant from the loglikelihood. The constant can be anything that does not involve parameters. E.g. constant can be a function of data, a function of sample size, etc.

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peng_liu
Staff

Re: Does JMP's loglikelihood value include a constant?

It depends on where you see the loglikelihood. For Normal distribution related loglikelihood, the constant is a function of pi and sample size; for Lognormal distribution related loglikelihood, the constant adds a function of data as well. Including constant will increase complexity and time consumption in calculation. So the strategy is NOT to include the constant, unless we have to. E.g. in Life Distribution, constants are included, because there is a need to compare different distributions like between Normal and Lognormal, where the constants matters.

etmsni
Level III

Re: Does JMP's loglikelihood value include a constant?

For the single Weibull fitting and competing two Weibull risk mixture, what would the constants be? Thanks!

peng_liu
Staff

Re: Does JMP's loglikelihood value include a constant?

Seems you are talking about loglikelihood in Life Distribution. Then the answer is about another "depends". If the data have failure observations, then the constant is the function of those failure time, just like the constant of a Lognormal distribution. If there are not failure observations, then there are no separable constant. For mixture, either regular mixture or competing risk mixture, I don't believe there are separable constants, at least in general. In Life Distribution, the loglikelihood is "full", so it does not deliberately differentiate a constant part and a non-constant part.

etmsni
Level III

Re: Does JMP's loglikelihood value include a constant?

For censored data, the likelihood function is:

 

Screenshot 2021-01-08 153812.png

So isn't the constant set beforehand, and not a function of data? Thanks!

 

Ref: https://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/apr/section4/apr412.htm

 

peng_liu
Staff

Re: Does JMP's loglikelihood value include a constant?

C can be different things for different distributions, depending on what is f.

For example, when fitting a Weibull likelihood, if f and F are density and distribution functions of Weibull, then there is not separable constant at all.

However, the likelihood is equivalent to a form, in which there is a constant C, and f and F are density and distribution functions of Smallest Extreme Value (SEV) distribution. I guess that is what the NIST formula is depicting.

 

etmsni
Level III

Re: Does JMP's loglikelihood value include a constant?

Since JMP is giving the loglikelihood value, then when taking the log form of the formula, doesn't the C constant become separate? That's why I'm confused, because I thought that the constant could be set this way.

peng_liu
Staff

Re: Does JMP's loglikelihood value include a constant?

In this context, the constant C is not a known quantity before seeing the data. In general, when one says the loglikelihood does not include a constant, that usually means that MLE is not affected by subtracting the constant from the loglikelihood. The constant can be anything that does not involve parameters. E.g. constant can be a function of data, a function of sample size, etc.