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Recordings DOE Club Q3 2024 - Avoid Pitfalls/ Mistakes using DSD/ Taguchi experiments

Question 2:  How to avoid Pitfalls 

 

Comments

@Victor_G : 

1. Do not assume any conclusions/interpretations outside of your design space 

2. And validate the model(s) with validation points! 

@Stats_Like_Jazz : 

Lesson 1: be brave when setting ranges. 

Lesson 2 : there might be a lot of "good" models for your response(s). Choose a relevant criterion (or several ones) linked to your objective(s) to evaluate and select model(s). 

Lesson 3: if you have ranges or combination to avoid use the disallowed combination filter. 

I have a 4 minute video on how to do just that: https://youtu.be/0ILaduCaszE

@ryan_cooper

I'd say another pitfall (particularly for beginners) is overthinking the DOE.  Anything is better than one-factor-at-a-time.  You can build on your DOE knowledge as you do more of them - you don't have to know everything to get started. 

 

Question 3: Mistakes using Definitive Screening Designs (DSD)

 

Comments

@Jonas_Rinne 

Do not try to learn everything in the first try. People trend to try to bring everything in in the first design. Most big designs do not work without a lot of prior knowledge. 

@Victor_G 

 Also think iteratively. It's very rare to have all responses and conclusions with only one design.

@KimRas2 

Not adding enough potential factors 

@Steph_Georges 

Not Randomizing Runs: If the order of experimental runs is not randomized, lurking variables (such as time or temperature drift) may introduce bias into the results.

Here is an article from Bradley Jones about "Proper and Improper use of DSD": https://community.jmp.com/t5/JMP-Blog/Proper-and-improper-use-of-Definitive-Screening-Designs-DSDs/b...

 

 

Question 4:  Moving from DoE to Taguchi experiments - robust design

 

Comments: 

@Victor_G 

Depending on where/how you want to find robust process design, there may be better alternatives today with Optimal designs.

And if you have several 2-levels categorical factors, try using OML designs instead: Mixed-Level Screening Designs (jmp.com)

@KimRas2 

IMH, Taguchi is a less modern form of DoE, where you have to buy expensive books on  stadardized DoE designs.

 

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Victor_G
Super User

Re: Recordings DOE Club Q3 2024 - Avoid Pitfalls/ Mistakes using DSD/ Taguchi experiments

Thanks for the upload and adding the comments @maria_astals !

Some complementary comments and informations from my side :

 

Question 2:  How to avoid Pitfalls 

Besides the excellent points mentioned in the discussion and comments, the article "Eight Keys to Successful DOE" from Quality Digest really summarize and explain well the most important aspects to consider when building designs :

  1. Set good objectives
  2. Measure responses quantitatively
  3. Replicate to dampen uncontrollable variation (noise)
  4. Randomize the run order
  5. Block out known sources of variation
  6. Know which effects (if any) will be aliased
  7. Do a sequential series of experiments
  8. Always confirm critical findings

 

Question 3: Mistakes using Definitive Screening Designs (DSD)

A specific analysis platform for DSD, The Fit Definitive Screening Platform, has been developed to leverage the specific foldover structure of the DSD to make the analysis easier and enable the detection of 2-factors interactions and quadratic effects following the principle of effect heredity. This analysis can be extended and used to any design with a foldover structure, not only for DSDs, see article from Bradley Jones :  

However, even if this analysis method is very powerful, it may happen that some terms are not detected even if they may be active, due to low power for higher order effects and possible low effect size, example : Fit Definitive Screening vs. Stepwise (min. AICC) for model selection
Other platforms may be helpful like The Fit Two Level Screening Platform or Generalized Regression Models (with different estimation methods like Best Subset, Pruned/2-stage/ Forward selection, ...), as they can help you build different models, using different methods to detect active effects and estimate parameters.

 

As the saying goes "All models are wrong, some are useful", so the key is really to compare and evaluate different models to get a good understanding of the system. Different methods for selecting a model can yield different solutions. Choosing a relevant evaluation metric to compare the different models (depending on the objective), compare the different models and selecting and/or combining different modeling methods with domain expertise can help you have a broader and more precise view about what matters the most. And from then, you can plan your next experiments to refine your model, and/or prepare some validation points to assess your model performance.


(I have submitted an abstract for JMP Europe Discovery 2025 using a Mixed-Level Screening Design and the different modeling platforms mentioned for the analysis of the responses, I hope to be selected to present this platforms and models comparison).

 

Question 4:  Moving from DoE to Taguchi experiments - robust design

There may be several definition of robustness and different ways to create a robustness DoE, depending against which factors you want to test the robustness of your experimental space/optimum point : against external noise factors, against variation in process/experiment factors, or against a combination of both factors. Here is a serie of articles from Stat-Ease explaining the type of designs according to which robustness situation you are interested in :

  1. Robustness against external noise factors : https://statease.com/blog/achieving-robust-processes-via-three-experiment-design-options-part-1/
  2. Robustness against variation in our set points for process factors : https://statease.com/blog/achieving-robust-processes-via-three-experiment-design-options-part-2/
  3. A combination of the first two types : https://statease.com/blog/achieving-robust-processes-via-three-experiment-design-options-part-3/

Some ressources that may be helpful as well :

Designing Robust Products (2020-US-30MP-539) 

How to Design for Robust Production Processes | JMP

 

Hope these info may help JMP users, happy experimentations !

Victor GUILLER

"It is not unusual for a well-designed experiment to analyze itself" (Box, Hunter and Hunter)
statman
Super User

Re: Recordings DOE Club Q3 2024 - Avoid Pitfalls/ Mistakes using DSD/ Taguchi experiments

I thought I joined the club, but was not informed of the "meeting"?

"All models are wrong, some are useful" G.E.P. Box