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Thanks @Georg for taking the time to show different approaches to calculate is in spec in JMP. I feel very honoured : )
I just tried a dynamic version of the approach with some locally defined lsl and usl values. Please decide on your own - with the additional As constant() it is much faster, but the values don't get updated. Without the As Constant() it's slower, but the user has the chance to update the column via
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Der @hogi , thanks for looking into the code and the additional implementation. For the presentation I did not look too much into speed etc., my focus was to show different ways and approaches. In real life the best implementation depends on your boundary conditions, so it is case specific, as I think.
If you look at the program flow, it may be not ideal to pull out specification limits in each row using the formula approach, but in some cases it may be useful. However JMP may internally improve the program at runtime avoiding unneccessary calculations. It is impossible for me to know all these details, but that's why we need to try different approaches.
Generally when speed comes into place, I would use the platform options, e.g. via colors in process screening, because I assume, that they are optimized for large data.
Maybe we can look into it again during roasting series. And yes again, I think that in_spec would be a very nice built in function. Only the implementation may become difficult when caring for all the details - hope the developers find a good way.
yes, right. For sake of simplicity I thinks it's OK to use tw-sided specs. Accounting for on-sided specs (or columns without any specs) is quite straight-forward - but indeed, one should not forget.
Do you have a trick how to speed up the calculation - and to make it dynamic?
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Nov 22, 2024 03:08 PM
| Last Modified: Nov 22, 2024 12:09 PM(543 views)
| Posted in reply to message from jthi 11-22-2024
use case: a new column with a formula to generate 0/1 values for out-of-spec/in-spec values.
If there is a typo in the specs, or the user wants to adjust the spec, the values of the column should automatically update (should not stay stuck with the old settings).
maybe for 10-30 columns.
100k - 10Mio rows.
A solution which can easily be shared with new colleagues who want to use JMP to analyze pass/fail information.
You are missing few specifications(?) (I consider myself professional XY Problem solver and I don't really thing you want be one):
Input: just a data table
Use ALL columns which have spec limits set?
But keep in mind that these might be set incorrectly (much bigger problem in my opinion)
How incorrectly? Can we have missing values on both? Same values on both even if we have continuous measurement? Or just "buggy" values (you used to be able to have "non-evaluated" values as spec limits in JMP which still did show as the correct numeric values. Not sure if this is still the case with JMP18).
Separate case is that user might want to adjust these (I would consider this different use case than single column with 0/1)
What is the use case? I'm pretty sure that users won't be analyzing 30 columns and 10million cells visually from a table
How are they using the results? Could the calculation be implemented there? -> Have a custom platform for this type of work?
If I were to "solve a problem" in this case, I would first start by solving the incorrect spec limits, or maybe rather the situation where they are changed. What are you really trying to see? I really doubt it is to have a column with 0/1 based on spec limits when you have 10 million rows of data.
You could (or I could) create a functionality to create such a column (not sure how fast you could make it) but is that really the solution to the problem? If you just want to have 0/1 column based on current spec limits for ALL columns, I don't think it has to be dynamic (update immediately). User can press press single button in menu to update results (I'm thinking add-in which uses specific column names or maybe table variables). If the purpose is to adjust specs, there is no value (in my opinion) seeing 0 changing to 1 when you have 10 rows (create special platform for JUST that use case, if nothing else and you "only" care about speed, it will most likely be faster).
Or is this just a theoretical question how to make this fast?
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Nov 23, 2024 05:19 AM
| Last Modified: Nov 23, 2024 2:20 AM(514 views)
| Posted in reply to message from jthi 11-22-2024
Hi Jarmo, thank you for your comments.
You are right, with the help of a single "click here to update" all the problems vanish. But, to be honest, I love the "Graph Builder - just set it up and JMP will handle the details" approach.
No need to discuss/implement the details via the community (it's clear how to extend a formula such that it also works for 1-sided specs). Here I even prefer a short code which shows the concept.
Besides that, no need to doubt if a fast, dynamic and user friendly 🙏 is in spec (value) will be used for something useful.
So, till 🙏 is in spec (value)is available -- If somebody has a better solution, how to set it up manually, I will be extremely happy and use it right away. It's not a theoretical question
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