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Feb 18, 2015 1:33 PM
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Hello,

I have an issue in JMP pro10.

I am performing a multiple regression with 3 continuous variables (x1,x2,x3) and an interaction between x2*x3(x1 - "number")*(x2-"number"), I do not understand this report method, but the estimates worked well for predicting new values.

I wanted to report these estimates without the "number" subtracted. I went to r and performed the same analysis and I got the exact same R2 so I know that It was the same analysis. The estimates that I got were different but it work exactly as the function JMP gave me, only without the "number".

I searched here and found a post ( Need help understanding interaction variable) that explain how to get the estimates without the "numbers" subtracted in JMP. After using the suggestion, the estimates were exactly the same as in r.

Now things start to be messy:

The t values (and P values) are not exactly the same between the two outputs that I have (JMP and r).

x1 and x2*x3 -> has exactly the same t values (and P values)

x2, x3, -> as a standalone are very different between the softwares.

Can anyone tell me what may be the reason for these differences? or perhaps something about JMP model assumption that may influence the t values?

Thanks

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Feb 18, 2015 2:18 PM
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Solution

Try this:

When filling in the Fit Model dialog, in the upper left corner of the dialog window there is a red triangle right next to the words "Model Specification". Click on that red triangle to bring up a context menu which includes as its first entry "Center Polynomials". Click it to uncheck it. Then run your model. The resulting report should agree with R.

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Feb 18, 2015 2:18 PM
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Try this:

When filling in the Fit Model dialog, in the upper left corner of the dialog window there is a red triangle right next to the words "Model Specification". Click on that red triangle to bring up a context menu which includes as its first entry "Center Polynomials". Click it to uncheck it. Then run your model. The resulting report should agree with R.

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Feb 18, 2015 7:46 PM
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Hi abra,

Center Polynomials is the default option in JMP for situations in which you are fitting powers or interactions between variables, and for some good reasons. This process centers each variable (subtracts the mean from each observation) before operating on it (through powers or cross-products with other variables) so that the lower order terms are unconfounded with higher-order terms, and it also maintains an easy (and often more useful) interpretation of the coefficients: the "average" effect of a variable assuming other variables are held constant at their ** mean**.

If you do not center variables, the interpretation of the lower order terms is different: the coefficients represent the increase in Y for each unit change of the variable when all other variables involved in higher-order terms with that variable are held constant at **0**. This is why the test statistics and p-values for your X2 and X3 variables are different. The test of X2 in your model without centering is a test of the partial regression slope of Y|X2 when X3 is 0, and the test of X3 is a test of the partial regression slope of Y|X3 when X2 is 0. This happens because of that interaction term, which is capturing the degree to which the level of X2 affects the relationship between Y and X3, or alternatively and equivalently, the degree to which the level of X3 affects the relationship between Y and X2. All multiple regressions involve partial regression coefficients, which represent the effects of variables if we are to hold constant the levels of other variables. Where "constant" is, numerically, depends on that centering. With centering "constant" will be at the mean of other variables, otherwise "constant" will be at 0 of the other variables. (It's worth noting that without any interactions this choice is immaterial, since the slope of X2 and X3 are fit to be constant, thus their slopes are the same at 0 and the mean of the other variables, hence no effect of centering).

X1 is not involved in any higher order terms so the interpretation of it is unchanged by centering.

This is a great question and in the interest of making is as clear as possible I recorded a quick video using some of the profiling tools in JMP to drive home the main points and included it below.

I hope this helps!

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Feb 19, 2015 9:24 AM
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Feb 19, 2015 6:51 AM
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Thanks Julian for the immensely detailed and helpful answer. I consider the problem solved now.

Also thanks mpb for the helpful tip