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May 22, 2016 9:18 AM
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hi everyone.

i'm interested in knowing what the workflow is in arriving at a Reduced Model in JMP 12.

this might be of help in explaining where i'm coming from - i was taught data analysis using Minitab. in six sigma black belt class (and also reinforced as a method at work), it was taught (and practiced) that to get the Reduced Model (for continuous variables) using the principle of Parsimony we have to:

1.) fit a regression model with all factors

2.) remove factors with VIF >= 5

3.) perform best-subsets approach

4.) select subset/s with Mallows' Cp statistic < (k+1)

5.) select subset/s with high R-Sq(adj)

6.) select the simplest model with the fewest possible number of variables that can adequately explain the variation (figure below).

in our manual, the procedure above is titled "Steps Involved in Model Building".

is this workflow doable in JMP 12? how?

i know that JMP has its own procedures on Model Building. i'm currently reading and doing walk-throughs via the Visual Six Sigma book (currently @ Chapter 6) and by watching Building Better Models and other resources.

appreciate all the guidance as i transition to JMP.

- Randy, JMP newbie

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To build on Ian's comments. As a way of picking best subsets you would be best off using cross-validation. Cross-validation will help insure you have the best possible model with least number of terms. Two-way K-fold validation is a good place to start and if you have JMP Pro Three-way validation is even better. A reasonable rule of thumb is anything less 50 runs use K-fold and anything above 50 use Three-way cross-validation.

The link below gives some discussion on cross-validation in JMP and if you select the "Next" tab it will take you to Generalized Regression which Ian also mentions.

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May 23, 2016 12:48 AM
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I should say that there are nearly as many ways to build a useful model as there are people building them. In the end, it's the utility of the model that you end up with that is important, not so much how you got there.

JMP supports many approaches to model building, and with a little JSL, more or less any protocol that you want to follow can be supported and streamlined. The one you describe above is perfectly feasible in JMP. Note that, for step 2, to get the VIFs you need to find the 'Parameter Estimates' table in the Fit Model report, right click on it, and select 'Columns > VIF'.

Finally, regarding the modeling capabilities of JMP, the VSS book is not really definitive, just a reasonable starting point for the experience of the likely readership. If you want to have an overall view of what's possible, you should certainly check out the 'Generalised Regression' personality of Fit Model (plus supporting material). I'm not sure exactly what's covered in 'Building Better Models', but the forthcoming 2nd Edition of the VSS book has a little of this.

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To build on Ian's comments. As a way of picking best subsets you would be best off using cross-validation. Cross-validation will help insure you have the best possible model with least number of terms. Two-way K-fold validation is a good place to start and if you have JMP Pro Three-way validation is even better. A reasonable rule of thumb is anything less 50 runs use K-fold and anything above 50 use Three-way cross-validation.

The link below gives some discussion on cross-validation in JMP and if you select the "Next" tab it will take you to Generalized Regression which Ian also mentions.

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May 24, 2016 6:53 AM
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Jun 9, 2016 11:38 PM
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thanks for all the input and for helping me in my transition to JMP, everyone!

i'm unlearning methods from the previous software and learning new ones in this community.

much appreciated.