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Dec 23, 2019 1:51 AM
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Hi there!

I've ran EMP Gauge R&R and the results show the total variation coming from reproducibility is 0%. However, when I look at the data there are considerable differences in the measured variable of the same samples between operators so I can't understand how the reproducibility variation is 0%:

Can anyone help please?

Thank you in advance,

Alicia

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First I added a column and called it measurement to represent the repeatability component of measurement precision (consecutive numbers 1-60). Then I analyzed your data using the JMP EMP (under Measurement System Analysis) and using Variability charts/control charts (attached document summarizes analysis). To be honest, I don't know why the EMP platform gives 0% reproducibility other than the operator component is so small, perhaps it rounded it to 0? Perhaps a JMP representative can explain this? I suppose I'm old fashioned, but I do the analysis per Don Wheeler's recommendations, something I learned from him many years ago. See Wheeler & Lyday: "Evaluating the Measurement Process".

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Re: EMP Gauge R&R - Reproducibility = 0%

Hello Alicia

Can you please make a print screen of the input mask from the EMP platform?

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Re: EMP Gauge R&R - Reproducibility = 0%

Hello Mauro,

Is this what you wanted to look at?

Best regards,

Alicia

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You need both operator and sample in the X grouping. Could you attach your data set? Did you do repeated measures for each sample/operator? How would you estimate precision repeatability without that? In which case you will have operator and sample crossed and repeated measures nested.

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Hi, please see data attached. Yes repeated measures was used - each operator A, B and C tested samples 1 - 10 twice. Thanks for your help in advance

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Re: EMP Gauge R&R - Reproducibility = 0%

Thank you so much for the helpful replies! This makes sense to me now. Really appreciated!

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Re: EMP Gauge R&R - Reproducibility = 0%

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Jan 3, 2020 10:30 AM
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| Posted in reply to message from Alicia 12-23-2019

The Operator variance component is negative and has therefore been set to 0. You can see this via Fit Model.

```
Fit Model(
Y( :Impact Strength ),
Effects,
Random Effects( :Sample, :Operator, :Sample * :Operator ),
NoBounds( 1 ),
Personality( "Standard Least Squares" ),
Method( "REML" ),
Emphasis( "Minimal Report" ),
Run(
:Impact Strength << {Summary of Fit( 1 ), Analysis of Variance( 0 ), Parameter Estimates( 1 ),
Scaled Estimates( 0 ), Plot Actual by Predicted( 0 ), Plot Regression( 0 ),
Plot Residual by Predicted( 0 ), Plot Studentized Residuals( 0 ), Plot Effect Leverage( 0 ),
Plot Residual by Normal Quantiles( 0 )}
)
);
```

The reproducibility value given in the EMP Gauge R&R Results report does not include interactions and negative variance components are set to zero.

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Re: EMP Gauge R&R - Reproducibility = 0%

OK, that makes sense. Negative REML...That is why JMP switched to Bayesian estimates...

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Re: EMP Gauge R&R - Reproducibility = 0%

Many thanks for the script... really helpful!

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