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Jul 14, 2010 7:37 AM
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I need to create a new column that uses a calculated "Polynomial Fit Degree=4" equation to predict a value.

I have 97 different sites with monthly average temperature data. Therefor 97 different figures with a satisfactory line drawn through the 12 data points. Here is an example of one site's equation:

T_AVE = 2.127629 + 0.0769089*DOY - 0.0015991*(DOY-183.083)^2 - 2.3911e-6*(DOY-183.083)^3 + 2.1454e-8*(DOY-183.083)^4

I want to create a new column that will predict the X variable "DOY" when the Y variable "T_AVE" equals 5. There should be two solutions (~120, ~320).

Do I need to copy (by hand) the equation for each of the 97 sites and paste it into a new column?

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

I have 97 different sites with monthly average temperature data. Therefor 97 different figures with a satisfactory line drawn through the 12 data points. Here is an example of one site's equation:

T_AVE = 2.127629 + 0.0769089*DOY - 0.0015991*(DOY-183.083)^2 - 2.3911e-6*(DOY-183.083)^3 + 2.1454e-8*(DOY-183.083)^4

I want to create a new column that will predict the X variable "DOY" when the Y variable "T_AVE" equals 5. There should be two solutions (~120, ~320).

Do I need to copy (by hand) the equation for each of the 97 sites and paste it into a new column?

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

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Jul 15, 2010 1:22 PM
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If the polynomial is degree 1 or 2 then solve manually for X and use the resulting formula. If your polynomial is of degree 3 or higher solving directly is either impossible or extremely messy.

Solving numerically automatically for all real roots is not straight forward. If you are willing to be involved in the solution, then, assuming the formula has been saved in a column with a couple of rows and a provisional min and max value for X, you can call up the Profiler and specify that column. Then you will see a graph of the polynomial. Specify that you want a desirability function. It will default to "maximize". Change the desirability function to "target" and adjust the curve so that it is centered at 5 and is fairly wide to start.

Adjust the horizontal axis as necessary to see where your function heads off to infinity at either end. Then use the desirability function plot to locate the current value at one of the high desirability values and click on "maximize desirability". You may need to repeat to get convergence. Repeat for each of the indicated solutions.

Message was edited by: mpb

If you do a Google search for "Solving Quartics and Cubics for Graphics" the first hit is a paper on the topic which will give you a feel for the difficulty of automatic solution.

Solving numerically automatically for all real roots is not straight forward. If you are willing to be involved in the solution, then, assuming the formula has been saved in a column with a couple of rows and a provisional min and max value for X, you can call up the Profiler and specify that column. Then you will see a graph of the polynomial. Specify that you want a desirability function. It will default to "maximize". Change the desirability function to "target" and adjust the curve so that it is centered at 5 and is fairly wide to start.

Adjust the horizontal axis as necessary to see where your function heads off to infinity at either end. Then use the desirability function plot to locate the current value at one of the high desirability values and click on "maximize desirability". You may need to repeat to get convergence. Repeat for each of the indicated solutions.

Message was edited by: mpb

If you do a Google search for "Solving Quartics and Cubics for Graphics" the first hit is a paper on the topic which will give you a feel for the difficulty of automatic solution.

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Jul 15, 2010 3:19 AM
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You don't need to copy the formula by hand: the Fit Model procedure can do that for you. In the following, I've opened up the Big Class data set, added three rows to the bottom of it and inserted into them three heights for which I want to predict the corresponding weight. Since these rows don't *have* a corresponding weight (y) value, the extra heights I've added won't affect the equation I get from the regression that I'm about to run on the whole table.

I've then fitted a cubic polynomial in height to the weight data: originally I did this interactively, but I've copied the resulting script below (to do that, click on the red triangle at the top of the window and select Script | Save Script to Script Window), so if you run this you should see the resulting output from that model fit:

I've then fitted a cubic polynomial in height to the weight data: originally I did this interactively, but I've copied the resulting script below (to do that, click on the red triangle at the top of the window and select Script | Save Script to Script Window), so if you run this you should see the resulting output from that model fit:

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Jul 15, 2010 7:26 AM
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Thanks for the suggestions David. My other question is this:

Does anyone know if JMP can solve for essentially what is the X term in a polynomial. In the above equation, it means solving for the DOY term which appears on the right side of the equation?

Does anyone know if JMP can solve for essentially what is the X term in a polynomial. In the above equation, it means solving for the DOY term which appears on the right side of the equation?

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Jul 15, 2010 1:22 PM
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Solving numerically automatically for all real roots is not straight forward. If you are willing to be involved in the solution, then, assuming the formula has been saved in a column with a couple of rows and a provisional min and max value for X, you can call up the Profiler and specify that column. Then you will see a graph of the polynomial. Specify that you want a desirability function. It will default to "maximize". Change the desirability function to "target" and adjust the curve so that it is centered at 5 and is fairly wide to start.

Adjust the horizontal axis as necessary to see where your function heads off to infinity at either end. Then use the desirability function plot to locate the current value at one of the high desirability values and click on "maximize desirability". You may need to repeat to get convergence. Repeat for each of the indicated solutions.

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If you do a Google search for "Solving Quartics and Cubics for Graphics" the first hit is a paper on the topic which will give you a feel for the difficulty of automatic solution.

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Jul 15, 2010 12:22 PM
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Note the **bold** text. This would save prediction formulas for all dependent variables modeled if there were more than one. Check the scripting docs p201-202 for how to only save a particular one.