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HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

ZHANDOUJI — Tue, 12 Nov 2024 06:54:21 GMT

i am dealing with a full-factorial design with two response variables and four independent variables，i want to fit two model with different terms at the same time but i dont find a way to realize it.the reason i want to do it is that the resulting contour plot have two response variable so that i can find design space that meet two srandard simultaneously. i also tried some other methods to construct a contour plot with two response variables but none of these methods is satisfactory

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

Victor_G — Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:58:23 GMT

Hi @ZHANDOUJI,

When using the Fit Model dialog window to launch your model, you can check the option "Fit Separately" when you have several response in order to build two independant models for your two responses :
https://www.jmp.com/support/help/en/18.1/#page/jmp/standard-least-squares-options-in-the-fit-model-launch-window.shtml#

You can then refine each response model independantly until you obtain your final models, and use the Profiler or Contour Profiler from "Fit Group" red triangle to display these interactive visualizations for both models at the same time.

Hope this answer will help you,

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

ZHANDOUJI — Tue, 12 Nov 2024 12:59:41 GMT

Thanks for taking the time to help me.I have retried to fit model with your advice and I have achieved my goal.I refited my model by stepwise method which allow you to select the terms twice before the model fitted instead of the standard least square method. pick the terms I want then click “run model” I can get two model with different terms in one report，and by the method you mentioned using the contour profile in "fit group” I get the contour plot with two response variable.

is this protocol i did right？ is that can be realized directly by fit the least square method？

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

ZHANDOUJI — Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:08:07 GMT

I have tried to click the option “fit separately” and I get two model with same terms.I cant refine my model directly in the report，so I use the stepwise method and this allow me to re-select the terms I want for each model.

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

MRB3855 — Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:43:58 GMT

Hi @ZHANDOUJI : Is this another homework problem?

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

statman — Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:46:53 GMT

Just a note, you shouldn't use stepwise for analysis of DOE. You should know the model before running the experiment. It is the model you select that decides how to run the experiment.

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

ZHANDOUJI — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:52:07 GMT

yes

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

ZHANDOUJI — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 06:04:00 GMT

yes，I known.most time design works for model.in this problem I used the least square method find which effect is significant then I choose these significant terms by stepwise method.the reason i use it is it give me a second chance to pick the terms for different models，and they can be presented in one report

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

Victor_G — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 08:32:11 GMT

Hi @ZHANDOUJI,

As explained by @statman, Stepwise method is not a default model building method recommended with DOE data, as you already have assumed a model that guide your experimentation and data collection strategies. You're not a in a situation where the data collection is imposed to you, and you have to "figure out"/determine a possible likely model for this data.

Starting with your assumed model with the simple Least Squares method should be a good starting point.

You can check the "Fit separately" option.

In order to refine your model (based on p-values, R² and R² adjusted, RMSE, and/or Information criterion like AICc), you can then for each of your response remove the least important/active terms from your model :

You can read more about model building and selection in other related discussions :

Hope this answer will help you,

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

MRB3855 — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 09:07:48 GMT

Hi @ZHANDOUJI : Apologies, but I'm afraid that the purpose of this community does not include helping you with your homework.

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

ZHANDOUJI — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 09:23:42 GMT

OH,Thank you very much! Idont find the "remove" button before.I know these basic knowledge about fitting model and model selecting.I used to use Design expert，I am just not familiar with this software.

Re: HOW to fit two model with different terms at the same time

ZHANDOUJI — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 09:30:36 GMT

I dont use this community to finish my homework.I used to use Design expert,I am just not familiar about this software.,I know the question I asked is a little dumb.I just ask something about the feature about JMP and how to realize the same purpose by this software.