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    <title>topic Re: 如果试验自变量为分类变量，响应为连续变量，是否可以使用正交设计进行筛选？ in Discussions</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;谢谢，感谢您的耐心解答，我需要筛选氨基酸的组合，筛选维生素的组合，氨基酸和维生素的组合，最终的目的是得到一个配比，这个配比中有对标签&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;影响最大几个氨基酸和维生素的配伍，如果设计实验，还&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;要考虑&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;氨基酸和维生素之间有无交互，需要考虑氨基酸之间有无&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;交互作用，&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;谢谢！&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 30 Oct 2024 02:35:11 GMT</pubDate>
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    <dc:date>2024-10-30T02:35:11Z</dc:date>
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      <title>如果试验自变量为分类变量，响应为连续变量，是否可以使用正交设计进行筛选？</title>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;如果试验自变量为分类变量，响应为连续变量，是否可以使用正交设计进行筛选？例如：氨基酸作为一个自变量，其中有20种不同的氨基酸，维生素作为一个自变量，其中有8种，筛选氨基酸和维生素的最佳组合，可否使用正交设计，谢谢！&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 25 Oct 2024 04:27:32 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>wzm</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-10-25T04:27:32Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: 如果试验自变量为分类变量，响应为连续变量，是否可以使用正交设计进行筛选？</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/%E5%A6%82%E6%9E%9C%E8%AF%95%E9%AA%8C%E8%87%AA%E5%8F%98%E9%87%8F%E4%B8%BA%E5%88%86%E7%B1%BB%E5%8F%98%E9%87%8F-%E5%93%8D%E5%BA%94%E4%B8%BA%E8%BF%9E%E7%BB%AD%E5%8F%98%E9%87%8F-%E6%98%AF%E5%90%A6%E5%8F%AF%E4%BB%A5%E4%BD%BF%E7%94%A8%E6%AD%A3%E4%BA%A4%E8%AE%BE%E8%AE%A1%E8%BF%9B%E8%A1%8C%E7%AD%9B%E9%80%89/m-p/808294#M98770</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://community.jmp.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/59978"&gt;@wzm&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Just to be sure to have understood your objective : you want to select one amino-acid and one vitamin among a set of these raw materials to have the best combination between the two and obtain the best results ?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If yes, as you seem to mention "screening" in your question and post (or at least the automatic translation tool has translated your original question as : "&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;EM&gt;If the experimental independent variable is categorical and the response is continuous, can an orthogonal design be used for screening&lt;/EM&gt;?") and considering the relatively large amount of different raw materials you want to study, I would not try to find the best combination between amino acids and vitamins in a first design (or only in one design), as it can represent a large number of experiments to do to test all combinations (160 unique combinations).&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;One option could be to subset a number of different amino-acids and vitamins in order to study the variation of your continuous response with limited number of levels for each factors. Instead of testing all 20 different amino-acids and all 8 vitamins, you could select 5 amino-acids and 4 vitamins (for example), so that these molecules express the maximum variability in terms of molecular properties/descriptors. There are multiple ways to select the raw materials, but using the chemical structures, molecular/chemical properties, molecular descriptors values can help in comparing the raw materials and select only those with the&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN&gt;highest chemical variability.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I described this option in a previous discussion and this method is also explained in a presentation :&amp;nbsp;&lt;LI-MESSAGE title="Efficient DOE of one multi-level (3+) categorical variable and many continuous variables" uid="673867" url="https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Efficient-DOE-of-one-multi-level-3-categorical-variable-and-many/m-p/673867#U673867" discussion_style_icon_css="lia-mention-container-editor-message lia-img-icon-forum-thread lia-fa-icon lia-fa-forum lia-fa-thread lia-fa"&gt;&lt;/LI-MESSAGE&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;LI-MESSAGE title="Increase Efficiency and Model Applicability Domain When Testing Options That Are at First Glance Multilevel Categorical Factors" uid="36572" url="https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discovery-Summit-Europe-2017/Increase-Efficiency-and-Model-Applicability-Domain-When-Testing/m-p/36572#U36572" discussion_style_icon_css="lia-mention-container-editor-message lia-img-icon-tkb-thread lia-fa-icon lia-fa-tkb lia-fa-thread lia-fa"&gt;&lt;/LI-MESSAGE&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You can then analyze the results of the continuous response thanks to the continuous molecular descriptors/values that you can use as covariates. Using continuous factors instead of categorical factors represents a great gain of information :&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;A href="https://community.jmp.com/t5/Abstracts/Coding-with-Continuous-and-Mixture-Variables-to-Explore-More-of/ev-p/756156/redirect_from_archived_page/true" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;https://community.jmp.com/t5/Abstracts/Coding-with-Continuous-and-Mixture-Variables-to-Explore-More-of/ev-p/756156/redirect_from_archived_page/true&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The big advantage of this approach is that you avoid a single DoE "brute-force" approach involving a lot of experiments, and you can build your knowledge and start optimising by iteration : once you understand which properties of your different molecules have an impact on your response, you can then select other raw materials (amino-acids &amp;amp; vitamins) and refine your model to have more in-depth understanding about interactions and specific order effects, and optimize the response.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Hope this discussion starter and perspective may help you,&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:49:06 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Victor_G</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-10-26T13:49:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: 如果试验自变量为分类变量，响应为连续变量，是否可以使用正交设计进行筛选？</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/%E5%A6%82%E6%9E%9C%E8%AF%95%E9%AA%8C%E8%87%AA%E5%8F%98%E9%87%8F%E4%B8%BA%E5%88%86%E7%B1%BB%E5%8F%98%E9%87%8F-%E5%93%8D%E5%BA%94%E4%B8%BA%E8%BF%9E%E7%BB%AD%E5%8F%98%E9%87%8F-%E6%98%AF%E5%90%A6%E5%8F%AF%E4%BB%A5%E4%BD%BF%E7%94%A8%E6%AD%A3%E4%BA%A4%E8%AE%BE%E8%AE%A1%E8%BF%9B%E8%A1%8C%E7%AD%9B%E9%80%89/m-p/809204#M98883</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;谢谢，感谢您的耐心解答，我需要筛选氨基酸的组合，筛选维生素的组合，氨基酸和维生素的组合，最终的目的是得到一个配比，这个配比中有对标签&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;影响最大几个氨基酸和维生素的配伍，如果设计实验，还&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;要考虑&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;氨基酸和维生素之间有无交互，需要考虑氨基酸之间有无&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;交互作用，&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;谢谢！&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Oct 2024 02:35:11 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>wzm</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-10-30T02:35:11Z</dc:date>
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