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    <title>topic Re: Repeated measures ANOVA - Within group in Discussions</title>
    <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Repeated-measures-ANOVA-Within-group/m-p/748588#M92927</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;I guess this I want to do, as Paris in the video of One factor repeatead measures analysis.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Jonkandonkan_0-1713862863860.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/63562i399C4C6271F5DC7C/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Jonkandonkan_0-1713862863860.png" alt="Jonkandonkan_0-1713862863860.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:03:45 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Jonkandonkan</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2024-04-23T09:03:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Repeated measures ANOVA - Within group</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Repeated-measures-ANOVA-Within-group/m-p/748545#M92921</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I want to do simple 1-Way RM-ANOVA. One group, three timepoints. Is there a difference between the timepoints. Only interested in effect of Time and then pairwise comparisons (Tukey). It's a cross-over design with three different exposures.&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Is it adequate to do this in the &lt;STRONG&gt;Fit Y by X platform&lt;/STRONG&gt;? The response variable of interest on Y, and "Time" (session in my case)) on X? I prefer this way making it easy to do post-hoc test directly in the same platform.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here I can also fit BY group. While there are two groups in the project I primarily want to analyse these separately (one model for one group, one for the other, not interested in the interaction here, while it might be a secondary analysis).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I.e.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Jonkandonkan_0-1713860254046.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/63554i590188E2A1E19475/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Jonkandonkan_0-1713860254046.png" alt="Jonkandonkan_0-1713860254046.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;However, it can also be done in the &lt;STRONG&gt;Fit Model approach&lt;/STRONG&gt;. In the &lt;U&gt;MANOVA&lt;/U&gt; approach, I would just put the three time points on Y and nothing in the model effect (potentially BY group). This seems to have higher power. Is this adequate?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Jonkandonkan_2-1713860344924.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/63556iB1CF652686E2CDD1/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Jonkandonkan_2-1713860344924.png" alt="Jonkandonkan_2-1713860344924.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;In the &lt;STRONG&gt;Fit model univariate approach,&lt;/STRONG&gt; I would put the response variable as Y and "Time" aswell as subject[Random effect] in the model effect? This seems seems to have even slighly higher power (smaller P for same data).&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Jonkandonkan_1-1713860302449.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/63555i8BFA1A901E43DC23/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Jonkandonkan_1-1713860302449.png" alt="Jonkandonkan_1-1713860302449.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;(And potentially by group)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;What's the practical/statistical difference for these approaches? Which is most adequate, for this quite simple design?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2024 08:21:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Repeated-measures-ANOVA-Within-group/m-p/748545#M92921</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jonkandonkan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-04-23T08:21:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Repeated measures ANOVA - Within group</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Repeated-measures-ANOVA-Within-group/m-p/748557#M92922</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Perhaps, In the Fit Y by X it is not treated as a repeated measure but three separate groups.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2024 08:38:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Repeated-measures-ANOVA-Within-group/m-p/748557#M92922</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jonkandonkan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-04-23T08:38:11Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Repeated measures ANOVA - Within group</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Repeated-measures-ANOVA-Within-group/m-p/748583#M92925</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Or perhaps, this the way to do it, not puting ID as a random factor, and keeping the Least Squares personality?&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Which gives the effect tests for Time, and giving the possibility for Tukeys and similar contrasts.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Jonkandonkan_1-1713862208095.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/63561i8FBDA165224EBEA9/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Jonkandonkan_1-1713862208095.png" alt="Jonkandonkan_1-1713862208095.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2024 08:50:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Repeated-measures-ANOVA-Within-group/m-p/748583#M92925</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jonkandonkan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-04-23T08:50:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Repeated measures ANOVA - Within group</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Repeated-measures-ANOVA-Within-group/m-p/748588#M92927</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I guess this I want to do, as Paris in the video of One factor repeatead measures analysis.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Jonkandonkan_0-1713862863860.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/63562i399C4C6271F5DC7C/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Jonkandonkan_0-1713862863860.png" alt="Jonkandonkan_0-1713862863860.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:03:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Repeated-measures-ANOVA-Within-group/m-p/748588#M92927</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jonkandonkan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-04-23T09:03:45Z</dc:date>
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