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Residual by Predicted Plot question_same data generate different plot with Fit Y by X and Fit model

guyuqian96 — Sun, 11 Jun 2023 11:19:23 GMT

Hi community,

My question is on Residual by Predicted Plot. The data set is with 2 factor: Design as the interest factor and Region as Randomized block and one response. I did ANOVA in Fit Y by X and save the Residual and Predicted to plot the Residual by Predicted Plot. But I found it looks very different from the plot from Fit model (row diagnostics).

In Fit Y by X, design is selected as Factor, region is selected as Block, and Response is selected as response.

In Fit model, Design and Region is added to model effects and region is attributed as Random effect, and Response is selected as Y.

Hope somebody can help!

Kind regards,

Yuqian

Re: Residual by Predicted Plot question_same data generate different plot with Fit Y by X and Fit model

Mark_Bailey — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:05:25 GMT

You used two very different models in these models. The first analysis accounted for the effect of only one of your factors (presumably Design). The effect of the blocking factor Region remained in the residuals from that model. These residuals exhibit greater variation. The second analysis accounted for both Design and Region, shrinking the residuals and producing a simpler pattern. You see the tighter pattern in the second residual plot.

Both plots are correct and valid. Their interpretation depends on the question you are asking.

Re: Residual by Predicted Plot question_same data generate different plot with Fit Y by X and Fit model

guyuqian96 — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 22:06:54 GMT

Hi markbailey,

Thank you very much for the kind answer!

I just notice in Fit Y by X, JMP recenterized data aganist block while it is not in Fit model. I was using the residual ploy for Model Adequacy Checking (I guess a good model should be with very randomized residual without any pattern). The residual plot seems show a certain pattern with Fit Y by X, while Fit model does not. And I am very confused about that and I wonder if you have any suggestions on that.

Thanks,

Yuqian

Re: Residual by Predicted Plot question_same data generate different plot with Fit Y by X and Fit model

Mark_Bailey — Mon, 15 Nov 2021 19:14:03 GMT

I already explained the difference. The Fit Y by X analysis removes the treatment effect from the residuals but not the block effect. The Fit Least Squares analysis removes both the treatment and the block effect from the residuals. Different models lead to different residuals: Residual = y predicted - y observed. The different models led to different y predicted values.