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JMP 16.1 > GraphBuilder > Binary Categorical Variable (0,1) > Bar Graph: How do I get the bars to span the range of % instead of a simple line?

Thierry_S — Sun, 11 Jun 2023 11:18:50 GMT

Hi JMP Community,

I recently upgraded JMP to version 16.1 (Windows), and I tried to rerun saved GraphBuilder bar plots where Y is a binary categorical variable (0,1), and X is also a categorical variable. In JMP 14.1, these GB scripts would yield full bars with a floor at 0 and a top at the frequency of 1's as shown below.

Now, when I try to reproduce these plots in JMP 16.1, I get the following output (note the data is not precisely the same, but the setup is)

Any tips on how to restore the "vintage" output?

Thanks.

Best

Re: JMP 16.1 > GraphBuilder > Binary Categorical Variable (0,1) > Bar Graph: How do I get the bars to span the range of % instead of a simple line?

jthi — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 06:15:27 GMT

Without seeing the script I can only give a guess: Seems like JMP16 could be using Float bar style instead of Side by Side. Maybe you could open the Control Panel in the "wrong" graph builder and try to see which settings it is using (or determine that directly from script, but it might miss some preferences)

Side by side:

Float:

Re: JMP 16.1 > GraphBuilder > Binary Categorical Variable (0,1) > Bar Graph: How do I get the bars to span the range of % instead of a simple line?

Thierry_S — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 06:40:29 GMT

Hi,

Thank you for your suggestion, but the solution is even simpler: in JMP 16.1, binary data need to be categorized as Continuous to yield the bar full bar plots; otherwise, whatever the style of bars you choose, GB will only plot a "floating" bar.

Best,

Re: JMP 16.1 > GraphBuilder > Binary Categorical Variable (0,1) > Bar Graph: How do I get the bars to span the range of % instead of a simple line?

jthi — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 07:06:55 GMT

Next thing I'm wondering, is this intended behavior? @XanGregg

Quickly testing seems like Bar Style options do nothing on Numeric Ordinal data or Character data.

Re: JMP 16.1 > GraphBuilder > Binary Categorical Variable (0,1) > Bar Graph: How do I get the bars to span the range of % instead of a simple line?

XanGregg — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:40:32 GMT

Yes, it is intentional. Bars usually don't make sense for categorical data, without a clear baseline or even spacing. Having numeric integer categories is the exception, but hopefully a continuous modeling type is not a burden there.

Re: JMP 16.1 > GraphBuilder > Binary Categorical Variable (0,1) > Bar Graph: How do I get the bars to span the range of % instead of a simple line?

jthi — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 15:18:29 GMT

Re-thinking this that makes sense.You would visualize Nominal/ordinal values by using Overlay or other X-grouping:

Would it be possible to disable other selections besides Float if data type isn't continuous to make it more obvious? If Combo Box doesn't allow disabling specific selections, could it be updated to show only the Float option and add "?" button next to Combo Box to explain why it is like that?