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    <title>topic Re: Comparing mortality/survival rate among treatments in Discussions</title>
    <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Comparing-mortality-survival-rate-among-treatments/m-p/309124#M56316</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;You are correct. The GLM platform does not accept terms for random effects. The JMP Pro Mixed Model platform does not accept non-normal error distributions.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:41:49 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Mark_Bailey</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2020-09-18T15:41:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Comparing mortality/survival rate among treatments</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Comparing-mortality-survival-rate-among-treatments/m-p/304785#M56104</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;What is the best method to analyze percent mortality or percent survival (100-mortality) data? I am providing a mock data set. I place 20 animals in a cage and at the end of the study I count the number of live animals and the difference from 20 is the dead animals. The experimental design is a complete randomize block design and I want to use block as either a random effect, covariable, or other suggestion. Time of death is no important and thus I'm struggling to use the JMP survival tools. I want to know if there is a statistical difference in mortality or survival rate (as a percent) among the 3 treatments. If I calculate by hand survival_% is:&amp;nbsp;Control=97%, Drug=88%, Placebo=79.5%; and thus mortality_% is: Control=3%, Drug=12%,&amp;nbsp;Placebo=20.5%.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Please provide step-by-step instructions (e.g., Analyze &amp;gt; Fit Model &amp;gt; etc.) or pictures.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Cage Block Treatment Initial_count Final_count Survival_% Deaths Mortality_%&lt;BR /&gt;1 1 Drug 20 20 100 0 0&lt;BR /&gt;2 1 Control 20 19 95 1 5&lt;BR /&gt;3 1 Placebo 20 16 80 4 20&lt;BR /&gt;4 2 Placebo 20 17 85 3 15&lt;BR /&gt;5 2 Drug 20 16 80 4 20&lt;BR /&gt;6 2 Control 20 20 100 0 0&lt;BR /&gt;7 3 Control 20 19 95 1 5&lt;BR /&gt;8 3 Placebo 20 15 75 5 25&lt;BR /&gt;9 3 Drug 20 18 90 2 10&lt;BR /&gt;10 4 Placebo 20 14 70 6 30&lt;BR /&gt;11 4 Control 20 20 100 0 0&lt;BR /&gt;12 4 Drug 20 19 95 1 5&lt;BR /&gt;13 5 Placebo 20 15 75 5 25&lt;BR /&gt;14 5 Control 20 20 100 0 0&lt;BR /&gt;15 5 Drug 20 17 85 3 15&lt;BR /&gt;16 6 Drug 20 18 90 2 10&lt;BR /&gt;17 6 Placebo 20 17 85 3 15&lt;BR /&gt;18 6 Control 20 20 100 0 0&lt;BR /&gt;19 7 Placebo 20 16 80 4 20&lt;BR /&gt;20 7 Drug 20 18 90 2 10&lt;BR /&gt;21 7 Control 20 20 100 0 0&lt;BR /&gt;22 8 Drug 20 17 85 3 15&lt;BR /&gt;23 8 Placebo 20 16 80 4 20&lt;BR /&gt;24 8 Control 20 19 95 1 5&lt;BR /&gt;25 9 Control 20 18 90 2 10&lt;BR /&gt;26 9 Drug 20 17 85 3 15&lt;BR /&gt;27 9 Placebo 20 16 80 4 20&lt;BR /&gt;28 10 Placebo 20 17 85 3 15&lt;BR /&gt;29 10 Drug 20 16 80 4 20&lt;BR /&gt;30 10 Control 20 19 95 1 5&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2023 00:21:13 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>jescobar</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-06-09T00:21:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Comparing mortality/survival rate among treatments</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Comparing-mortality-survival-rate-among-treatments/m-p/305318#M56147</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;This case is a classic application of 'probit analysis.'&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;OL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Select Analyze &amp;gt; Fit Model.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Select Initial Count and Final Count (in that order), then click Y.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Select the other data columns that you want to use as factors and click Add.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Click Personality and select Generalized Linear Model.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Click Distribution and select Binomial.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Click Link and select Probit.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Click Run.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/OL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;That should do it.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I have to say that this process is backward: collect the data and then decide on the analysis. The choice of the analysis should dictate the data collection.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Hope that these instructions help!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:37:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Comparing-mortality-survival-rate-among-treatments/m-p/305318#M56147</guid>
      <dc:creator>Mark_Bailey</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-09-11T18:37:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Comparing mortality/survival rate among treatments</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Comparing-mortality-survival-rate-among-treatments/m-p/306855#M56195</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.jmp.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/5358"&gt;@Mark_Bailey&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;thank you for the suggestion. Unfortunately it does not work, I have tried the binomial distribution with not successful results; it does not accept a random variable or covariable. Please try to use the mock data set I provided to see if you can find a suggestion. Cheers,&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2020 15:49:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Comparing-mortality-survival-rate-among-treatments/m-p/306855#M56195</guid>
      <dc:creator>jescobar</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-09-14T15:49:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Comparing mortality/survival rate among treatments</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Comparing-mortality-survival-rate-among-treatments/m-p/309124#M56316</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;You are correct. The GLM platform does not accept terms for random effects. The JMP Pro Mixed Model platform does not accept non-normal error distributions.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:41:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Comparing-mortality-survival-rate-among-treatments/m-p/309124#M56316</guid>
      <dc:creator>Mark_Bailey</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-09-18T15:41:49Z</dc:date>
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