topic How to prove similarity between two curve? What are different approach or options in JMP? in Discussions

How to prove similarity between two curve? What are different approach or options in JMP?

rajesh — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 06:34:02 GMT

Dear Users,

I have two spectral data set and my objective is to prove similarity between two curves? How to prove similarity between two curve? What are different approach or options in JMP? Datasheet attached for reference where I want to prove how similar Y1 with Y2 or viceversa.

Re: How to prove similarity between two curve? What are different approach or options in JMP?

Mark_Bailey — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:46:45 GMT

First of all, we use statistics to help us decide about a hypothesis. We cannot use it to prove anything. Second of all, you only have one curve from each population, so no statistical inference is possible.

You might use the Functional Data Explorer in JMP Pro to fit a basis expansion model to each curve and then examine the functional principal components. There would be essentially a single such component if the curves are similar or two if they are not similar.

The summary of your curves shows the common shape (mean function) and the variation (standard deviation function), which is greatest at the start of the curve.

The penalized spline model gave the best fit.

In your case, there seems to be only one shape.

Re: How to prove similarity between two curve? What are different approach or options in JMP?

rajesh — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:03:12 GMT

Thanks for quick reply,

As variation and shape is similar Can I say both curves are similar in nature?

Objective here is to see whether these two curves are similar or not (Hypothesis)? How to measure similarity or difference ? (by mean or by shape or point to point correlation or by variation at various stages?) Which method is best to address this situation?

As I don't have JMP pro can I use any other method for similarity in JMP?

Re: How to prove similarity between two curve? What are different approach or options in JMP?

Craige_Hales — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 19:46:42 GMT

Plot data, and difference in green

Plotting the difference (green) between the two curves shows something that is hard to see from the red and blue curves because of the steep slope: the difference is smoothly getting smaller after 198 or so.

Re: How to prove similarity between two curve? What are different approach or options in JMP?

statman — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 16:14:50 GMT

Some thoughts:

1. I would first determine if the differences are of any practical significance. How much of a difference in the response that is plotted is meaningful (do you care about from a practical standpoint).

2. Use many comparisons:

Similar points along the x-axis on each curve (differences between these)
Slopes between different sections of the curve
Max/min values

There is no one right way! And as Mark points out, you can't prove anything...only increase your degree of confidence that the curves are similar or not.

Re: How to prove similarity between two curve? What are different approach or options in JMP?

FR60 — Wed, 26 Feb 2020 08:33:49 GMT

Ciao Mark
I have a question for you. You say that the 2 curves Y1 and Y2 are similar. And I agree with you. But how the score plot should be interpreted? The two points are far each other.

Thanks Felice

Re: How to prove similarity between two curve? What are different approach or options in JMP?

Mark_Bailey — Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:35:59 GMT

Yes, there is a difference between the two curves. They are not identical curves.

The first functional principal component captures essentially all the variation between the two curves. FDE usually works with a larger sample so that the FPCs tend to separate the fixed effects (attributable) and random effects (not attributable). The fixed effects dominate the first FPCs and the random effects dominate the last FPCs. You have only two curves so only two FPCs are possible. There is only one difference between curves so only one real FPC.

Be careful about judging distance in this plot. (The vertical dimension has zero length.) Rather, the plot simply indicates that the two curves Y1 and Y2 are most different out of all the curves, but these two curves are the only curves in the sample.