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Using Permanova in JMP

gabrielamaiz — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 21:43:56 GMT

Hi,

I'm trying to run a PERMANOVA in JMP instead of Qiime to look at the differences in community composition among different microbial samples based on different factors. I'd also love to learn to build PCoa plots in JMP if possible, but this is secondary.

Thank you!

Re: Using Permanova in JMP

ian_jmp — Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:15:48 GMT

There's nothing built in to JMP directly comparable to http://qiime.org/scripts/compare_categories.html (not in detail at least).But if you are able to give some more details of the variables you have, I'm sure folks will have some suggestions as to how you may proceed using JMP capabilities. Various 'extra' things may be feasible by using JMP's scripting language, but I would not start with that.

Re: Using Permanova in JMP

gabrielamaiz — Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:43:41 GMT

Thank you Ian,

I'm attempting to run a PERMANOVA in JMP instead of Qiime to look at the differences in community composition among different microbial samples based on different factors. Most of the factors I would like to test are nominal and ordinal variables.

Ex- Do breast-fed infant microbiomes differ in community composition from formula-fed infants at different ages?

The feeding variable has three nominal categories “Breast,” “Formula” and “Mixture,” and the age group variable has four levels (0-3 mo., 4-7 mo, 8-11 mo or 12+ mo). Specifically I'd like to test if breast fed infants (0-3mo) differ from formula fed infants of the same age group, and so on.

Another variable is an ordinal scale of household cleanliness 0-2.

I would also like to test the analysis of similarity (ANOSIM) if possible.

Re: Using Permanova in JMP

marxx — Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:36:39 GMT

Two years later. No responses?

PERMANOVA and ANOSIM are workhorses of the microbiome field. They need to be in JMP.

Re: Using Permanova in JMP

Chris_Kirchberg — Thu, 18 Oct 2018 18:24:21 GMT

These two methods have not yet been implemented in JMP. Please add them to the Wish List so others can vote (Kudo) on them. This will help the developers prioritize features for the next version.

Here is the link to the wish list:

https://community.jmp.com/t5/JMP-Wish-List/idb-p/jmp-wish-list

I agree it would be good to get these two on this list.

Best,

Chris Kirchberg

Re: Using Permanova in JMP

marxx — Thu, 18 Oct 2018 19:02:48 GMT

Thank you Chris, I have done so now and hope that it gets traction.

Much appreciated, marxx

Re: Using Permanova in JMP

abmayfield — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:51:59 GMT

As someone who has to run a parallel operating system solely to run PRIMER (PC-only) to carryout PERMANOVA and ANOSIM, I strongly recommend that this technique be implemented in future JMP releases! I feel like all the major elements are in place already to make this happen.

Re: Using Permanova in JMP

John_Powell_JMP — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:21:45 GMT

Anyone stumbling onto this discussion may want to consider voting up the item in the wish list:

Thanks,

-John

Re: Using Permanova in JMP

bayesianbluejay — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 01:57:13 GMT

Any movement on this? Would love use JMP as I am familiar with it, but need to run permanovas...