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    <title>topic How do I choose between a Wilcoxon, Wilcoxon Signed Rank, or t-test with matched observations? in Discussions</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;I'm new to JMP, and trying to determine which test is appropriate for my study. I have matched biological measurements at two time points (before and after a meal) for 25 individual donors. Each donor has a single data point per time point. The population has a large standard deviation for most of these measurements, and usually the results do not have a&amp;nbsp;normal distribution. Some observations have a few outliers. I have attached a sample graph depicting my data.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Is it appropriate to analyze the data with a simple t-test or Wilcoxon test via the Fit Y by X menu? Or should I perform the analysis using the&amp;nbsp;&lt;STRONG&gt;Specialized Modeling &amp;gt; Matched Pairs&amp;nbsp;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&amp;gt; Wilcoxon Signed Rank&lt;/STRONG&gt; approach? The main question in this study is whether or not the biological measurement (ie, yield)&amp;nbsp;changes after eating a meal. I'm not particularly interested in donor-specific responses, more the trend of the population as a whole. Any advice on which test to use, and how to execute that test in JMP, would be greatly appreciated!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks,&lt;BR /&gt;Jen&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Yield, before and after a meal. Each dot represents one donor, line connecting donor yield before/after. Red lines indicate SD" style="width: 324px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/11085iFFD197FC6052FDED/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="JMP Chart (1).JPG" alt="Yield, before and after a meal. Each dot represents one donor, line connecting donor yield before/after. Red lines indicate SD" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;Yield, before and after a meal. Each dot represents one donor, line connecting donor yield before/after. Red lines indicate SD&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:26:25 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>jwhiting</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-06-11T18:26:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>How do I choose between a Wilcoxon, Wilcoxon Signed Rank, or t-test with matched observations?</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/How-do-I-choose-between-a-Wilcoxon-Wilcoxon-Signed-Rank-or-t/m-p/59987#M32788</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I'm new to JMP, and trying to determine which test is appropriate for my study. I have matched biological measurements at two time points (before and after a meal) for 25 individual donors. Each donor has a single data point per time point. The population has a large standard deviation for most of these measurements, and usually the results do not have a&amp;nbsp;normal distribution. Some observations have a few outliers. I have attached a sample graph depicting my data.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Is it appropriate to analyze the data with a simple t-test or Wilcoxon test via the Fit Y by X menu? Or should I perform the analysis using the&amp;nbsp;&lt;STRONG&gt;Specialized Modeling &amp;gt; Matched Pairs&amp;nbsp;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&amp;gt; Wilcoxon Signed Rank&lt;/STRONG&gt; approach? The main question in this study is whether or not the biological measurement (ie, yield)&amp;nbsp;changes after eating a meal. I'm not particularly interested in donor-specific responses, more the trend of the population as a whole. Any advice on which test to use, and how to execute that test in JMP, would be greatly appreciated!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks,&lt;BR /&gt;Jen&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Yield, before and after a meal. Each dot represents one donor, line connecting donor yield before/after. Red lines indicate SD" style="width: 324px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/11085iFFD197FC6052FDED/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="JMP Chart (1).JPG" alt="Yield, before and after a meal. Each dot represents one donor, line connecting donor yield before/after. Red lines indicate SD" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;Yield, before and after a meal. Each dot represents one donor, line connecting donor yield before/after. Red lines indicate SD&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:26:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/How-do-I-choose-between-a-Wilcoxon-Wilcoxon-Signed-Rank-or-t/m-p/59987#M32788</guid>
      <dc:creator>jwhiting</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-06-11T18:26:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How do I choose between a Wilcoxon, Wilcoxon Signed Rank, or t-test with matched observations?</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/How-do-I-choose-between-a-Wilcoxon-Wilcoxon-Signed-Rank-or-t/m-p/60416#M32922</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if your question is "&lt;SPAN&gt;The main question in this study is whether or not the biological measurement (ie, yield)&amp;nbsp;changes after eating a meal."&amp;nbsp; Wouldn't you really want to compare the delta between before and after, not before vs after?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;While your sample data may be non-normal (it looks like a gamma distribution to me), your delta distribution is most likely normal with a more reasonable std deviation.&amp;nbsp; Assuming this is the case you could just test the delta distribution mean against the null hypothesis that it's mean is 0 (or there are no changes after eating a meal.)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2018 20:01:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/How-do-I-choose-between-a-Wilcoxon-Wilcoxon-Signed-Rank-or-t/m-p/60416#M32922</guid>
      <dc:creator>msharp</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-06-15T20:01:20Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How do I choose between a Wilcoxon, Wilcoxon Signed Rank, or t-test with matched observations?</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/How-do-I-choose-between-a-Wilcoxon-Wilcoxon-Signed-Rank-or-t/m-p/60585#M32996</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Great explanation, thank you for making that so clear! I also have additional measurements with three time points (morning, noon, evening) - in this case, would it be valid to compare the deltas between each pair individually (T1-T2... T2-T3... T1-T3)? Or is there a different test that I should be using? Thank you so much for your guidance, I'm new to this and it is very helpful!&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:33:11 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>jwhiting</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-06-19T13:33:11Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How do I choose between a Wilcoxon, Wilcoxon Signed Rank, or t-test with matched observations?</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/How-do-I-choose-between-a-Wilcoxon-Wilcoxon-Signed-Rank-or-t/m-p/60593#M32999</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;That all depends on the question you are trying to answer.&amp;nbsp; If you are&amp;nbsp;trying ask "Which meal affects yield the most: breakfast, lunch or dinner?", then you would do a t-test of the deltas, of course this would require 6 measurements.&amp;nbsp; Since you have three, I'm guessing the question is, "Is there a difference in yeild at different times of day?"&amp;nbsp; In this case, I would do both a parametric test (t-test) checking the power to determine if it has any merits based on the central limit theorem and a non-parametric test (Wilcoxen, ect.) to cover my basis.&amp;nbsp; You can also apply a transformation to the data (e.g. log(yeild)) to see if it approximates normallity better.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2018 14:52:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/How-do-I-choose-between-a-Wilcoxon-Wilcoxon-Signed-Rank-or-t/m-p/60593#M32999</guid>
      <dc:creator>msharp</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-06-19T14:52:37Z</dc:date>
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