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    <title>topic DoE for Conditional Continuous factors in Discussions</title>
    <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/DoE-for-Conditional-Continuous-factors/m-p/952891#M109966</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;I am trying to design an experiment where some factors are conditional, and I am not sure whether this can be handled properly using &lt;STRONG&gt;Custom Design&lt;/STRONG&gt; or whether the design should be constructed manually.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I have one factor, &lt;STRONG&gt;X1&lt;/STRONG&gt;, with a reference condition at &lt;STRONG&gt;1&lt;/STRONG&gt;, which is also the maximum value. X1 can only be varied below this reference condition, but one case of interest is also keeping it at the reference value.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;For the other two factors, the structure is conditional:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;X2&lt;/STRONG&gt; can be either &lt;STRONG&gt;OFF&lt;/STRONG&gt; or &lt;STRONG&gt;ON&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;If OFF, there is no level/intensity&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;If ON, it has a continuous range&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;X3&lt;/STRONG&gt; can be either &lt;STRONG&gt;absent&lt;/STRONG&gt; or &lt;STRONG&gt;present&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;If absent, there is no dosage/intensity&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;If present, it has a continuous range&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So X2 and X3 are not simple continuous factors, because their continuous values only make sense when the corresponding factor is active/present.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My objective is to understand:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;The effect of X2 and/or X3 being present versus not present&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;The effect of changing the level/intensity of X2 and/or X3 when they are active&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;How these effects behave at different values of X1&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Whether there are interactions between X1, X2, and X3&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;One idea I am considering is to treat &lt;STRONG&gt;X2&lt;/STRONG&gt; and &lt;STRONG&gt;X3&lt;/STRONG&gt; as &lt;STRONG&gt;discrete numeric factors&lt;/STRONG&gt;, where &lt;U&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;0&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&amp;nbsp;represents OFF/absent and the non-zero values represent the active continuous range. For analysis, I would then avoid automatic coding/centering of polynomial terms so that the numeric levels are interpreted more directly.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;However, I understand that this approach has drawbacks. In particular, the jump from &lt;U&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;0&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&amp;nbsp;to the first non-zero level may combine two effects:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;the effect of switching the factor ON/present&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;the effect of moving to the lowest active intensity/dosage&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So it may not cleanly separate the &lt;STRONG&gt;activation/presence effect&lt;/STRONG&gt; from the &lt;STRONG&gt;intensity/dosage effect&lt;/STRONG&gt;. This could also make interaction terms harder to interpret, especially if X2 and X3 behave differently at different values of X1.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;P&gt;A second approach I am currently trying is to represent X2 and X3 using both a categorical activation factor and a discrete numeric level factor:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;one categorical &lt;STRONG&gt;OFF/ON&lt;/STRONG&gt; factor plus one discrete numeric level factor for X2&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;one categorical &lt;STRONG&gt;absent/present&lt;/STRONG&gt; factor plus one discrete numeric level factor for X3&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-jsl"&gt;
DOE(
    Custom Design,
    {
        Add Response( Maximize, "Y", ., ., . ),

        Add Factor( Continuous, -1, 1, "X1_Level", 0 ),

        Add Factor( Discrete Numeric, {0, 1, 2, 3}, "X2_Level", 0 ),
        Add Factor( Categorical, {"Off", "On"}, "X2_Status", 0 ),

        Add Factor( Discrete Numeric, {0, 1, 2, 3}, "X3_Level", 0 ),
        Add Factor( Categorical, {"Absent", "Present"}, "X3_Status", 0 ),

        Set Random Seed( 2055292721 ),
        Number of Starts( 4702 ),

        Add Term( {1, 0} ),
        Add Term( {1, 1} ),

        Add Term( {2, 1} ),
        Add Potential Term( {2, 2} ),
        Add Term( {3, 1} ),

        Add Term( {4, 1} ),
        Add Potential Term( {4, 2} ),
        Add Term( {5, 1} ),

        Add Term( {1, 1}, {2, 1} ),
        Add Term( {1, 1}, {4, 1} ),
        Add Term( {2, 1}, {4, 1} ),

        Set Sample Size( 12 ),

        Disallowed Combinations(
            ("X2_Status"n == "Off" &amp;amp; "X2_Level"n &amp;gt; 0) |
            ("X2_Status"n == "On" &amp;amp; "X2_Level"n == 0) |
            ("X3_Status"n == "Absent" &amp;amp; "X3_Level"n &amp;gt; 0) |
            ("X3_Status"n == "Present" &amp;amp; "X3_Level"n == 0)
        ),

        Simulate Responses( 0 ),
        Save X Matrix( 0 ),
        Make Design
    }
);
&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;My concern is that the categorical status factor may be redundant, because the OFF/ON or absent/present status is already implied by the numeric level. I am therefore not sure whether this setup can truly separate the activation effect from the level/intensity effect, or whether it introduces collinearity/confounding that makes the model difficult to interpret.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My questions are:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;OL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Is it statistically sensible to include both the status factor and the discrete numeric level factor?&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Can this setup meaningfully separate the activation effect from the level/intensity effect?&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Would it be better to use only the discrete numeric factors, with &lt;CODE&gt;0 = Off/Absent&lt;/CODE&gt; and &lt;CODE&gt;1–3 = active levels&lt;/CODE&gt;?&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Or is there a better way to handle this type of conditional factor structure in JMP Custom Design?&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/OL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 08:33:19 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>JunaidM</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2026-06-09T08:33:19Z</dc:date>
    <item>
      <title>DoE for Conditional Continuous factors</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/DoE-for-Conditional-Continuous-factors/m-p/952891#M109966</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I am trying to design an experiment where some factors are conditional, and I am not sure whether this can be handled properly using &lt;STRONG&gt;Custom Design&lt;/STRONG&gt; or whether the design should be constructed manually.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I have one factor, &lt;STRONG&gt;X1&lt;/STRONG&gt;, with a reference condition at &lt;STRONG&gt;1&lt;/STRONG&gt;, which is also the maximum value. X1 can only be varied below this reference condition, but one case of interest is also keeping it at the reference value.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;For the other two factors, the structure is conditional:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;X2&lt;/STRONG&gt; can be either &lt;STRONG&gt;OFF&lt;/STRONG&gt; or &lt;STRONG&gt;ON&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;If OFF, there is no level/intensity&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;If ON, it has a continuous range&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;X3&lt;/STRONG&gt; can be either &lt;STRONG&gt;absent&lt;/STRONG&gt; or &lt;STRONG&gt;present&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;If absent, there is no dosage/intensity&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;If present, it has a continuous range&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So X2 and X3 are not simple continuous factors, because their continuous values only make sense when the corresponding factor is active/present.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My objective is to understand:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;The effect of X2 and/or X3 being present versus not present&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;The effect of changing the level/intensity of X2 and/or X3 when they are active&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;How these effects behave at different values of X1&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Whether there are interactions between X1, X2, and X3&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;One idea I am considering is to treat &lt;STRONG&gt;X2&lt;/STRONG&gt; and &lt;STRONG&gt;X3&lt;/STRONG&gt; as &lt;STRONG&gt;discrete numeric factors&lt;/STRONG&gt;, where &lt;U&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;0&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&amp;nbsp;represents OFF/absent and the non-zero values represent the active continuous range. For analysis, I would then avoid automatic coding/centering of polynomial terms so that the numeric levels are interpreted more directly.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;However, I understand that this approach has drawbacks. In particular, the jump from &lt;U&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;0&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&amp;nbsp;to the first non-zero level may combine two effects:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;the effect of switching the factor ON/present&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;the effect of moving to the lowest active intensity/dosage&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So it may not cleanly separate the &lt;STRONG&gt;activation/presence effect&lt;/STRONG&gt; from the &lt;STRONG&gt;intensity/dosage effect&lt;/STRONG&gt;. This could also make interaction terms harder to interpret, especially if X2 and X3 behave differently at different values of X1.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;P&gt;A second approach I am currently trying is to represent X2 and X3 using both a categorical activation factor and a discrete numeric level factor:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;one categorical &lt;STRONG&gt;OFF/ON&lt;/STRONG&gt; factor plus one discrete numeric level factor for X2&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;one categorical &lt;STRONG&gt;absent/present&lt;/STRONG&gt; factor plus one discrete numeric level factor for X3&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-jsl"&gt;
DOE(
    Custom Design,
    {
        Add Response( Maximize, "Y", ., ., . ),

        Add Factor( Continuous, -1, 1, "X1_Level", 0 ),

        Add Factor( Discrete Numeric, {0, 1, 2, 3}, "X2_Level", 0 ),
        Add Factor( Categorical, {"Off", "On"}, "X2_Status", 0 ),

        Add Factor( Discrete Numeric, {0, 1, 2, 3}, "X3_Level", 0 ),
        Add Factor( Categorical, {"Absent", "Present"}, "X3_Status", 0 ),

        Set Random Seed( 2055292721 ),
        Number of Starts( 4702 ),

        Add Term( {1, 0} ),
        Add Term( {1, 1} ),

        Add Term( {2, 1} ),
        Add Potential Term( {2, 2} ),
        Add Term( {3, 1} ),

        Add Term( {4, 1} ),
        Add Potential Term( {4, 2} ),
        Add Term( {5, 1} ),

        Add Term( {1, 1}, {2, 1} ),
        Add Term( {1, 1}, {4, 1} ),
        Add Term( {2, 1}, {4, 1} ),

        Set Sample Size( 12 ),

        Disallowed Combinations(
            ("X2_Status"n == "Off" &amp;amp; "X2_Level"n &amp;gt; 0) |
            ("X2_Status"n == "On" &amp;amp; "X2_Level"n == 0) |
            ("X3_Status"n == "Absent" &amp;amp; "X3_Level"n &amp;gt; 0) |
            ("X3_Status"n == "Present" &amp;amp; "X3_Level"n == 0)
        ),

        Simulate Responses( 0 ),
        Save X Matrix( 0 ),
        Make Design
    }
);
&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;My concern is that the categorical status factor may be redundant, because the OFF/ON or absent/present status is already implied by the numeric level. I am therefore not sure whether this setup can truly separate the activation effect from the level/intensity effect, or whether it introduces collinearity/confounding that makes the model difficult to interpret.&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My questions are:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;OL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Is it statistically sensible to include both the status factor and the discrete numeric level factor?&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Can this setup meaningfully separate the activation effect from the level/intensity effect?&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Would it be better to use only the discrete numeric factors, with &lt;CODE&gt;0 = Off/Absent&lt;/CODE&gt; and &lt;CODE&gt;1–3 = active levels&lt;/CODE&gt;?&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Or is there a better way to handle this type of conditional factor structure in JMP Custom Design?&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/OL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 08:33:19 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/DoE-for-Conditional-Continuous-factors/m-p/952891#M109966</guid>
      <dc:creator>JunaidM</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-06-09T08:33:19Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: DoE for Conditional Continuous factors</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/DoE-for-Conditional-Continuous-factors/m-p/953172#M109999</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://community.jmp.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/61479"&gt;@JunaidM&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The categorical factors are not necessary, since having X2 level at 0 already imply that this factor is "OFF" (same for X3). &lt;BR /&gt;So creating a design adding these factors will only create redundant information (and collinearity) during design generation (and &lt;A href="https://www.jmp.com/support/help/en/19.1/#page/jmp/singularity-details.shtml#ww998670" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;Singularity Details&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;during modeling due to the linear dependancy between status and level factors). &lt;BR /&gt;In the design generation script you shared, you can see that due to this redundancy (and dependancy between X2 and X2 status), the factors Xi_Status have been removed from the model by JMP in design evaluation platform, leaving only the discrete numeric and numeric factors terms:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Victor_G_0-1781107351713.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/106228i05E0936DB992290A/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Victor_G_0-1781107351713.png" alt="Victor_G_0-1781107351713.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So I would stick with the more direct design generation option.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;What is your objective with this design ? Are you really interested into testing so many levels for X2 and X3 ? Could a screening/D-optimal design with 2 levels (one low: absence = 0 and one high for presence, for example 3) be sufficient for your needs ? Or 3 levels to analyze quadratic effects and avoid a simple absence/presence factor levels setting ?&lt;BR /&gt;If you really want to enforce these levels, you can still create your design with:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;X1 continuous factor (from -1 to 1)&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;X2 discrete numeric with values 0, 1, 2 and 3,&amp;nbsp;or continuous with appropriate model terms to have sufficient number of levels. If you really want 4 levels to be tested, specifying the term X2 at the power of 5 will create 4 levels for this factor in the design. See&amp;nbsp;&lt;LI-MESSAGE title="force levels in DoE" uid="751854" url="https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/force-levels-in-DoE/m-p/751854#U751854" discussion_style_icon_css="lia-mention-container-editor-message lia-img-icon-forum-thread lia-fa-icon lia-fa-forum lia-fa-thread lia-fa"&gt;&lt;/LI-MESSAGE&gt;&amp;nbsp;for more info.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;X3 discrete numeric&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;with values 0, 1, 2 and 3,&amp;nbsp;or continuous with appropriate model terms to have sufficient number of levels.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If you want to separate activation effect from level/intensity effect, you can still in the analysis evaluate what is the average response when X2 = 0 vs. average response when X2=1, 2 or 3, by averaging the response in these two conditions.&amp;nbsp;It's far easier to summarize an information in the analysis if you already have a more granular and detailed response, as you'll be able to provide the two types of analysis and results : macro and detailed view.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Hope this answer will help you,&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 16:18:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/DoE-for-Conditional-Continuous-factors/m-p/953172#M109999</guid>
      <dc:creator>Victor_G</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-06-10T16:18:47Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: DoE for Conditional Continuous factors</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/DoE-for-Conditional-Continuous-factors/m-p/953179#M110000</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi &lt;a href="https://community.jmp.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/11568"&gt;@Victor_G&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thank you for the detailed response. This is very helpful.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Just to clarify one point: in the script I shared, I had removed the &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;CODE&gt;X2_Status&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt; and &lt;CODE&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;X3_Status&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/CODE&gt; terms myself from the model terms because I was already concerned that they may be redundant. But your explanation confirms the concern more clearly: since &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;CODE&gt;X2 = 0&lt;/CODE&gt; &lt;/STRONG&gt;already implies OFF and &lt;CODE&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;X2 &amp;gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt; 0&lt;/CODE&gt; implies ON, adding a separate status factor would introduce redundant information and potential collinearity.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So, if I understand correctly, the more direct approach (Option 1) does make sense.&lt;CODE&gt;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Based on your response, I am also thinking that three discrete numeric levels may be sufficient instead of four. For example, &lt;CODE&gt;0&lt;/CODE&gt;, lowest practical active level, and highest practical active level. This may be more appropriate because the distance between &lt;CODE&gt;0 → lowest active level&lt;/CODE&gt; and &lt;CODE&gt;lowest → highest active level&lt;/CODE&gt; is not the same.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Following your suggestion, this is the design structure I think makes more sense. I removed the separate categorical status factors and kept X2 and X3 as discrete numeric factors, where &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;CODE&gt;0&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt; represents the OFF/absent condition and the non-zero values represent active levels.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The model includes main effects, a quadratic effect for X1, and selected two-factor interaction terms:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-jsl"&gt;DOE(
	Custom Design,
	{Add Response( Maximize, "Y", ., ., . ),
	Add Factor( Continuous, -1, 1, "X1", 0 ),
	Add Factor( Discrete Numeric, {0, 15, 30}, "X2", 0 ),
	Add Factor( Discrete Numeric, {0, 30, 45}, "X3", 0 ),
	Set Random Seed( 1139260218 ), Number of Starts( 71985 ), Add Term( {1, 0} ),
	Add Term( {1, 1} ), Add Term( {2, 1} ), Add Potential Term( {2, 2} ),
	Add Term( {3, 1} ), Add Potential Term( {3, 2} ), Add Term( {1, 2} ),
	Add Term( {1, 1}, {2, 1} ), Add Term( {1, 1}, {3, 1} ),
	Add Term( {2, 1}, {3, 1} ), Set Sample Size( 12 ), Simulate Responses( 0 ),
	Save X Matrix( 0 )}
);
&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;One point I want to check is about model fitting and interpretation. Since &lt;CODE&gt;0&lt;/CODE&gt; for X2 and X3 represents a real OFF/absent condition, and not just a coded low level, I assume I should be careful with automatic coding or centering of polynomial terms. My concern is that centering may make the model coefficients harder to interpret in relation to the actual OFF/absent state. Would you recommend fitting these terms using the actual numeric values, or is there a better coding strategy for this type of factor?&lt;/DIV&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 17:41:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/DoE-for-Conditional-Continuous-factors/m-p/953179#M110000</guid>
      <dc:creator>JunaidM</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-06-10T17:41:52Z</dc:date>
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