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    <title>topic Re: Why different results for variance components in Variability Gauge Analysis Report and in Fit Model Analysis Report? in Discussions</title>
    <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Why-different-results-for-variance-components-in-Variability/m-p/927663#M108533</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi MRB3855,&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;thank you very much for the warm welcome, for your quick reply, and for even providing links to further information. That's very helpful. I will work through it to better understand the error terms. If I still have questions after that, I might take you up on your kind offer.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2026 10:12:58 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>DOEMonkey</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2026-01-31T10:12:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Why different results for variance components in Variability Gauge Analysis Report and in Fit Model Analysis Report?</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Why-different-results-for-variance-components-in-Variability/m-p/925996#M108402</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Hi all,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;could someone please explain why the two reports mentioned above seem to give different results for the F-Ratios of the main effects of operator and part, but give consistent results for the F-Ratio of the interaction effect operator*part?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Data file:&amp;nbsp;&lt;EM&gt;Variability Data/2 Factors Crossed.jmp&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;(JMP&amp;nbsp;example data file. Use &amp;gt;Help&amp;gt;Sample Data Folder in JMP to get it)&lt;/EM&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Test #1:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I did the JMP example&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.jmp.com/support/help/en/19.0/index.shtml#page/jmp/example-of-a-variability-chart.shtml#ww332851" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.jmp.com/support/help/en/19.0/index.shtml#page/jmp/example-of-a-variability-chart.shtml#ww332851&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;In the Variability Gauge Analysis Report the variance componentes were displayed using&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; Variability Gauge Analysis for Measurement &amp;gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Variance Components&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Attached file "Variance Components from Variability Gauge Analysis Report.png" shows the result I obtained.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Test #2:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I did a similar calculation using "Fit Model" with model terms&amp;nbsp; Operator, part#, and Operator*part#.&lt;BR /&gt;(see attachment:&amp;nbsp; Model Specification used for Fit Model.png&amp;nbsp;)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Attachment "Variance Components from Fit Model Report.png" shows a screeshot from the result obained for "Analysis of Variance" and "Effect Test".&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I expected to confirm the results of Test #1.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Most ANOVA results were consistent in both reports&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;-&amp;nbsp; marked with green rectangles in both pictures.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;However, some results for the F Ratios were different in both reports&amp;nbsp; -&amp;nbsp; marked&amp;nbsp;with red rectangles in both pictures.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Description of the observed difference&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I remember that ANOVA calculates F Ratio for each model term by dividing the Mean Square (MS) of this model term by the MS Error, which seems to be&amp;nbsp;consistent with F Ratio results shown for all model terms in the Fit Model Report.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;F Ratio = MS (term) / MS (Error)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Assuming that the term MS(Within) corresponds to the term MS(Error), the Variability Gauge Analysis Report Report this seems to apply an analogous formula to compute the F ratio of the interaction term Operator*part#.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;F Ratio(Operator*part#) = MS (Operator*part#) / MS (Within)&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;= 0.02087039 / 0.00413887&amp;nbsp; =&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 5,04253335&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;But, I was not able to re-produce the values shown for the F Ratios of the main effects of Operator and of part#&amp;nbsp;using MS(Within).&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;MS(Operator) / MS(Within) = 0.0274444&amp;nbsp; / 0.00413887&amp;nbsp; =&amp;nbsp; 6.6308920&amp;nbsp; (not equal to 1.3150)&lt;BR /&gt;MS(part#)&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; /&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;MS(Within) = 0.2926204&amp;nbsp; / 0.00413887&amp;nbsp; =&amp;nbsp; 70.7005535&amp;nbsp; (not equal to 14.0209)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;The&amp;nbsp;Variability Gauge Analysis Report seems to use a similar formula to compute the F Ratios for the main effects of Operator and of part#, however using MS(Operator*part#) instead of MS(Within).&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;MS(Operator) / MS(Operator*part#) = &amp;nbsp;0.0274444&amp;nbsp; /&amp;nbsp; 0.02087039&amp;nbsp; =&amp;nbsp; 1.3149922&amp;nbsp; (similar to F Ratio given)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;MS(part#) / MS(Operator*part#) &amp;nbsp;= &amp;nbsp;0.2926204&amp;nbsp; /&amp;nbsp; 0.02087039&amp;nbsp; =&amp;nbsp; 14.0208401&amp;nbsp; (similar to F Ratio given)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;In the attachment you will also find a copy of the JMP example data file with two scripts to re-produce the above tests I did. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Please, could somebody comment on this discrepancy and explain why F Ratios are calculated this way in Gauge R&amp;amp;R ?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Thank you very much for helping.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2026 19:39:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Why-different-results-for-variance-components-in-Variability/m-p/925996#M108402</guid>
      <dc:creator>DOEMonkey</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-01-25T19:39:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Why different results for variance components in Variability Gauge Analysis Report and in Fit Model Analysis Report?</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Why-different-results-for-variance-components-in-Variability/m-p/926084#M108411</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://community.jmp.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/88178"&gt;@DOEMonkey&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;: Good question, and welcome to the community! I'll take your question in two parts:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;1.&amp;nbsp;Please, could somebody comment on this discrepancy?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The discrepancy comes from the fact that it your Fit Model platform you haven't designated all of the effects as Random (as is assumed in the&amp;nbsp;Variability Gauge Analysis). If you do that and choose EMS(Traditional) for Method you will get the same results.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;2. Explain why F Ratios are calculated this way in Gauge R&amp;amp;R .&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;See page 6 here.&amp;nbsp;&lt;A href="https://homepages.math.uic.edu/~wangjing/stat481/Stat481-LectureNote-10.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;https://homepages.math.uic.edu/~wangjing/stat481/Stat481-LectureNote-10.pdf&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;As you can see, under null hypothesis (H0) the appropriate error term for A and B is MSAB (i.e., makes the respective F ratio =1).&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Come back with any questions.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2026 15:52:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Why-different-results-for-variance-components-in-Variability/m-p/926084#M108411</guid>
      <dc:creator>MRB3855</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-01-26T15:52:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Why different results for variance components in Variability Gauge Analysis Report and in Fit Model Analysis Report?</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Why-different-results-for-variance-components-in-Variability/m-p/927663#M108533</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi MRB3855,&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;thank you very much for the warm welcome, for your quick reply, and for even providing links to further information. That's very helpful. I will work through it to better understand the error terms. If I still have questions after that, I might take you up on your kind offer.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2026 10:12:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Why-different-results-for-variance-components-in-Variability/m-p/927663#M108533</guid>
      <dc:creator>DOEMonkey</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-01-31T10:12:58Z</dc:date>
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