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    <title>topic Re: Gauge R&amp;amp;R for destructive test with no true parts - best JMP approach? in Discussions</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Can you make an assumption that some of the parts are identical enough to each other, to consider them the same part?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Few links to check out (not sure if they apply to your situation):&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
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    <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2026 09:04:02 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Gauge R&amp;R for destructive test with no true parts - best JMP approach?</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Gauge-R-amp-R-for-destructive-test-with-no-true-parts-best-JMP/m-p/927085#M108489</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi everyone,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I'm working on a measurement variability study on a product sample. The test is destructive (each test consumes the full sample), so I do not have "true parts" that can be remeasured. My dataset consists of:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;1. Multiple technicians&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;2. Two instruments&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; 2-3 repeated measurements per technician-instrument combination&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;4. All sample coming from the same material lot&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My primary goal is to understand technician-to-technician and instrument-to-instrument variability, I guess I can't do a part-to-part variation. In JMP Gauge R&amp;amp;R platform, I am unsure where all these parameters should go (how do I correctly define "Part/Sample ID" in this case, should I group the analysis by instruments or technician, etc.). From the R&amp;amp;R result, which values should I care about?&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;Appreciate any help on this!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2026 01:26:10 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Gauge R&amp;R for destructive test with no true parts - best JMP approach?</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Gauge-R-amp-R-for-destructive-test-with-no-true-parts-best-JMP/m-p/927135#M108492</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Can you make an assumption that some of the parts are identical enough to each other, to consider them the same part?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Few links to check out (not sure if they apply to your situation):&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;&lt;A href="https://community.jmp.com/t5/Abstracts/Advanced-Measurement-System-Analysis-for-a-Destructive-Gauge/ev-p/849934" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;Advanced Measurement System Analysis for a Destructive Gauge Using a Split-Plot Design&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/LI&gt;
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2026 09:04:02 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Gauge-R-amp-R-for-destructive-test-with-no-true-parts-best-JMP/m-p/927135#M108492</guid>
      <dc:creator>jthi</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-01-29T09:04:02Z</dc:date>
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