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how to generate this graph in Graph Builder?

hogi — Sat, 25 Oct 2025 09:20:06 GMT

How to generate a plot in Graph Builder with:

color & fit = Latitude bin
marker = Station

like this one:

The plot doesn't look fancy, but most JMP uses will get stuck when they try to adjust the markers.
STATION is used as Color - and "therefore" the user is only allowed to change the color:

Sure, everybody knows a JMP expert - and they will help with a workaround [what is your favorite one?].

But, , and why is there no Marker Dropzone when I need one.
Why is it not possible to generate such a simple plot without expert skills?
... why is it not possibility to adjust the Marker, the way the user expects:

For the experts: Please try to generate a plot with

color & fit = Latitude bin
marker = season
with Graph Builder [no changes to the data table]

dt = Open( "$SAMPLE_DATA/Functional Data/Weekly Weather Data.jmp" );


dt << New Column( "Latitude_bins",
"Character",
	Formula(
		If(
:LATITUDE < 30, "<30",
			:LATITUDE < 40, "<40",
			:LATITUDE < 50, "<50",
			:LATITUDE >= 50, ">50",
			.
		)
	)
)  << Run Formulas;

Graph Builder(
	Variables( X( :DATE ), Y( :TAVG ), Overlay( :Latitude_bins ), Color( :STATION ) ),
	Elements( Points( X, Y ), Smoother( X, Y ) ),
	Local Data Filter(
		Add Filter(
			columns( :STATION ),
			Where(
				:STATION == {"USW00003949", "USW00012924", "USW00014922",
				"USW00092811", "USW00093067", "USW00094626"}
			),
			Display( :STATION, N Items( 15 ) )
		)
	)
);

Re: how to generate this graph in Graph Builder?

hogi — Sat, 25 Oct 2025 17:37:08 GMT

Maybe a related issue:
Try to adjust the Transparency for the female data points.
There is a function - but without effect!

dt = Open( "$SAMPLE_DATA/Big Class Families.jmp" );
Graph Builder(
	Variables(
		X( :height ),
		Y( :weight ),
		Overlay( :sex, Overlay Encoding( "Style" ) ),
		Color( :height )
	),
	Elements( Points( X, Y ) )
);

Re: how to generate this graph in Graph Builder?

BHarris — Wed, 29 Oct 2025 23:02:37 GMT

I have often wished for both a "Marker" and a "Label" drop zone, and maybe even a "background color" zone. I haven't submitted those ideas because I'm thinking once I learn more about JMP I'll realize it's a bad idea, but at this point they seem obvious additions.

Re: how to generate this graph in Graph Builder?

hogi — Thu, 30 Oct 2025 06:15:31 GMT

Label Drop zone, sounds great!

I submitted a related wish some days ago:
the idea: a possibility to deactivate specific columns via the variables control.

I just added another dimension to the wish:
dynamic label control for rows as an alternative to the current approach via static row states.
That's a bit nerdy, isn't it?

Re: how to generate this graph in Graph Builder?

BHarris — Thu, 30 Oct 2025 15:51:00 GMT

I’d love to hear what other options Xan considered for the drop zones, and understand his reasoning for leaving each one out.

Re: how to generate this graph in Graph Builder?

hogi — Fri, 31 Oct 2025 16:55:35 GMT

I think the philosophy behind Graph Builder is:
- keep it slim!
- provide a basic set of functions to satisfy a large percentage of customer
- DON'T be eager to satisfy all needs

Concerning Marker and Transparency Dropzone the idea might be:
- better NOT frighten the basic users with too many options
- the expert users will find a workaround

On the other hand, there are many low hanging fruits to help the experts - without frightening the basic users:

- don't disable features - don't remove marker control via Color Dropzone!!
- institutionalize features:
- provide PRO features via a secret layer | hide them from the basic users:
e.g. -> thanks for the 20x : )
Same approach:

Concerning Labels, I guess it's like with Hier Box():

Compared to features which were added later, the functionality feels outdated.
It provides a basic function, but it lacks the comfort of current JMP 19.
Unfortunately, the function is already there. So, there is little demand to get a better version.