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    <title>topic How to assign columns to 'Cause' and 'Grouping' roles, 'scale' and 'shape' effect in JMP recurrence analysis in Discussions</title>
    <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/How-to-assign-columns-to-Cause-and-Grouping-roles-scale-and/m-p/893493#M105439</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi, all&lt;BR /&gt;I am a new member to the community. I am assigned a task to perform recurrence analysis on our data. I never used JMP or did any recurrence analysis. So I will bring some stupid questions for sure.&lt;BR /&gt;The data we have are robots repair. We want to see repairs event pattern for the bots and I was told to use recurrence analysis (don't know why).&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So we have around 15000 robots, I used the 'bot_id', 'accumulated_transactions', 'site', 'cost', 'bot_type' and 'component' columns. 'Site' includes different location where the robots work. 'cost' is the 0, 1 value ( 1 means a repair, and 0 means the last seen event of the bots). 'component' are different parts under repair. We want to see effect of sites, bot_type, and parts on mcf and repair pattern. I primarily use Log Linear NHPP model.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;if I want to study the effect of site on mcf, should i put site as 'grouping' or 'cause' roles? If I want to find which site's bots deteriorate faster than others?, which site have more repair compared to others.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;My understanding is that Grouping is for category factor that is exclusive to each other, like a bot cannot be in two location at the same time. So I should use Grouping. But ChatGPT suggested Cause. I don't know which is right.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Also I have a question on how to choose columns for scale and shape effect. For instance if I choose site as Cause as GPT suggested. what will be chosen for scale, shape effect. I felt that site could affect those two as well. And JMP allows me to choose site as well. My question is that Can I choose site as 'Cause' and 'scale' and 'shape' at the same time. It generates a result that I cannot explain(hundreds of MCF lines and parameter estimate tables of each site affecting all sites (including it self). So I guess that I cannot do that.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Then I put component (parts) as 'Cause', site as scale and shape factor. JMP generates a model for each component. After fitted in log linear NHPP, a parameter estimate table is generated for each cause. The issue is that the MCF curve is 12 components X 20 sites, generating hundreds of lines. I felt that I am doing the wrong thing here again.&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;Feels that if I use 'Cause' roles then I should not put anything as 'scale' or 'shape' effectors, or it will make the MCF curve too crowded.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Finally&lt;/STRONG&gt; I decided to put site as 'Grouping' to compared different site, site as 'scale' and 'shape' effectors.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In a different analysis, I put components(parts) as 'Cause' to compare among parts (blank for 'scale' and 'shape'), and use local data filter to filter to each site to generate a MCF for a single site with different component(parts) cause. Does the design&amp;nbsp;make sense now?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Sorry this is long. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="scale_shape.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/79970iCC26C178444DDDD6/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="scale_shape.png" alt="scale_shape.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="grouping_or_cause.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/79969i70D060919AF66F4F/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="grouping_or_cause.png" alt="grouping_or_cause.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2025 17:42:32 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Caozheng0115</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2025-08-08T17:42:32Z</dc:date>
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      <title>How to assign columns to 'Cause' and 'Grouping' roles, 'scale' and 'shape' effect in JMP recurrence analysis</title>
      <link>https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/How-to-assign-columns-to-Cause-and-Grouping-roles-scale-and/m-p/893493#M105439</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi, all&lt;BR /&gt;I am a new member to the community. I am assigned a task to perform recurrence analysis on our data. I never used JMP or did any recurrence analysis. So I will bring some stupid questions for sure.&lt;BR /&gt;The data we have are robots repair. We want to see repairs event pattern for the bots and I was told to use recurrence analysis (don't know why).&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So we have around 15000 robots, I used the 'bot_id', 'accumulated_transactions', 'site', 'cost', 'bot_type' and 'component' columns. 'Site' includes different location where the robots work. 'cost' is the 0, 1 value ( 1 means a repair, and 0 means the last seen event of the bots). 'component' are different parts under repair. We want to see effect of sites, bot_type, and parts on mcf and repair pattern. I primarily use Log Linear NHPP model.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;if I want to study the effect of site on mcf, should i put site as 'grouping' or 'cause' roles? If I want to find which site's bots deteriorate faster than others?, which site have more repair compared to others.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;My understanding is that Grouping is for category factor that is exclusive to each other, like a bot cannot be in two location at the same time. So I should use Grouping. But ChatGPT suggested Cause. I don't know which is right.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Also I have a question on how to choose columns for scale and shape effect. For instance if I choose site as Cause as GPT suggested. what will be chosen for scale, shape effect. I felt that site could affect those two as well. And JMP allows me to choose site as well. My question is that Can I choose site as 'Cause' and 'scale' and 'shape' at the same time. It generates a result that I cannot explain(hundreds of MCF lines and parameter estimate tables of each site affecting all sites (including it self). So I guess that I cannot do that.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Then I put component (parts) as 'Cause', site as scale and shape factor. JMP generates a model for each component. After fitted in log linear NHPP, a parameter estimate table is generated for each cause. The issue is that the MCF curve is 12 components X 20 sites, generating hundreds of lines. I felt that I am doing the wrong thing here again.&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;Feels that if I use 'Cause' roles then I should not put anything as 'scale' or 'shape' effectors, or it will make the MCF curve too crowded.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Finally&lt;/STRONG&gt; I decided to put site as 'Grouping' to compared different site, site as 'scale' and 'shape' effectors.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In a different analysis, I put components(parts) as 'Cause' to compare among parts (blank for 'scale' and 'shape'), and use local data filter to filter to each site to generate a MCF for a single site with different component(parts) cause. Does the design&amp;nbsp;make sense now?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Sorry this is long. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="scale_shape.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/79970iCC26C178444DDDD6/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="scale_shape.png" alt="scale_shape.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="grouping_or_cause.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.jmp.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/79969i70D060919AF66F4F/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="grouping_or_cause.png" alt="grouping_or_cause.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2025 17:42:32 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Caozheng0115</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-08-08T17:42:32Z</dc:date>
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