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Fishbone/Hierarchical Graph via Graph Builder?

hogi — Mon, 23 Jun 2025 15:02:51 GMT

The Diagram function in the analyze / Quality and process menu is very helpful.
One can generate fishbown, hierarchical and nested diagrams.

On the other hand, compared with the Graph Builder functionality in JMP18, it feels "outdated":

- no color dropzone [colors have to be applied manually, step by step for each entry]

- no Overlay dropzone - which could be used to control font settings

- no | X /Y Group Dropzones to structure the plot
the only option is a [by] dropzone - which removes the chance to save a script for the whole graph

The largest problem:
After adjusted fonts and color settings, the plot is not saved as a platform script. Instead, the script generates the plot as it is.
After adding new rows to the data table, the plot has to be generated from scratch.

a) Is there a functionality in Graph Builder which allows the user to generate such plots?
... with all the benefits/formatting options of Graph Builder?

b) Who uses the diagram function in Graph Builder?
How do you format and update the plot ? Could you share your experience & useful tips?

Re: Fishbone/Hierarchical Graph via Graph Builder?

txnelson — Mon, 23 Jun 2025 16:42:08 GMT

Add it to the JMP Wish List

Re: Fishbone/Hierarchical Graph via Graph Builder?

hogi — Thu, 26 Jun 2025 14:39:32 GMT

Not possible yet?

Ok, here is the wish:

please follow the link to the wish list and use a kudo to support the wish.
[Kudoing this post is not recorded by the system -> i.e. wasted.]

Re: Fishbone/Hierarchical Graph via Graph Builder?

Byron_JMP — Wed, 25 Jun 2025 13:44:10 GMT

I think diagram goes back to v4?, v5? maybe earlier.

A long time ago, (several computers and companies ago) I had a script that also colored branches of the fishbone based on a Color column. That was a super convenient feature for tracking project status.

Re: Fishbone/Hierarchical Graph via Graph Builder?

markschahl — Thu, 26 Jun 2025 04:20:32 GMT

Diagram is a very underrated platform in JMP. How many investigations have you participated in that were de-railed/slowed-down by fidgeting-around (I could have used a different f-word...) with the drawing software or sticky notes? The Parent/Child data table is brilliant simplicity that allows the team to focus on the cause brainstorming without being distracted by presentation optics.

Re: Fishbone/Hierarchical Graph via Graph Builder?

hogi — Thu, 26 Jun 2025 08:05:50 GMT

Interactive Mindmaps are very useful to "look at the data" - get an overview - brainstorm - work on the whole picture - zoom into details - zoom out / edit / add / follow a path ....

The parent/child approach is brilliant to get this information structured + into a data table to analyze / work with the data.

Re: Fishbone/Hierarchical Graph via Graph Builder?

MathStatChem — Thu, 26 Jun 2025 13:13:06 GMT

This fits under a more general request/need: Network diagrams. A fishbone diagram is just one of many types of directed acyclic graphs that JMP could do.
https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Network-Association-Diagram/m-p/7633

https://community.jmp.com/t5/JMP-Wish-List/Fishbone-Cause-and-Effect-Diagram-enhancements-to-current...

https://community.jmp.com/t5/Discussions/Network-analysis/m-p/768656