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Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

MathStatChem — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 16:13:50 GMT

Hi all,

I'm wanting to use Graph Builder to create a graph like this (copied from the Fit Curve dissolution model free comparison report)

I cannot seem to do this in graph builder. Any suggestions?

The graph needs to show each curve (specified as CurveID in the data table).

The graph needs to show the average curve by group (Curve Group).

The error bars are not necessary, but would be nice to have.

Re: Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

MathStatChem — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 16:15:00 GMT

note, X should be continuous, I accidentally have it as nominal in the attached table.

Re: Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

MathStatChem — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 16:16:17 GMT

is the best I can get, so far.

Re: Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

Chris_Kirchberg — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 16:28:35 GMT

@MathStatChem,

Have you tried adding line element a second time and then manipulating the variables like so:

Re: Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

MathStatChem — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 16:36:37 GMT

That's closer, but still cannot overlay the two curve groups.

Re: Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

Chris_Kirchberg — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 16:36:56 GMT

Taking it one step further and manipulating graph colors and transparencies:

using JMP 18.1.2 and here is the script to recreate

Graph Builder(
	Size( 929, 685 ),
	Show Control Panel( 0 ),
	Show Legend( 0 ),
	Variables(
		X( :X ),
		Y( :Y ),
		Group X( :Curve Group ),
		Overlay( :CurveID ),
		Color( :Curve Group )
	),
	Elements(
		Points( X, Y, Legend( 11 ) ),
		Line( X, Y, Legend( 13 ) ),
		Line(
			X,
			Y,
			Overlay( 0 ),
			Legend( 16 ),
			Error Interval( "Standard Deviation" )
		)
	),
	SendToReport(
		Dispatch( {}, "400", ScaleBox,
			{Legend Model(
				11,
				Properties( 2, {Marker( "Dot" )}, Item ID( "1", 1 ) ),
				Properties(
					3,
					{Marker( "Dot" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "2", 1 )
				),
				Properties(
					4,
					{Marker( "Dot" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "3", 1 )
				),
				Properties(
					5,
					{Marker( "Dot" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "4", 1 )
				),
				Properties(
					6,
					{Marker( "Dot" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "5", 1 )
				),
				Properties(
					7,
					{Marker( "Dot" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "6", 1 )
				)
			), Legend Model(
				13,
				Properties( 0, {Transparency( 0.5 )}, Item ID( "A", 1 ) ),
				Properties( 1, {Transparency( 0.5 )}, Item ID( "B", 1 ) ),
				Properties( 2, {Transparency( 0.5 )}, Item ID( "1", 1 ) ),
				Properties(
					3,
					{Line Style( "Solid" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "2", 1 )
				),
				Properties(
					4,
					{Line Style( "Solid" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "3", 1 )
				),
				Properties(
					5,
					{Line Style( "Solid" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "4", 1 )
				),
				Properties(
					6,
					{Line Style( "Solid" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "5", 1 )
				),
				Properties(
					7,
					{Line Style( "Solid" ), Transparency( 0.5 )},
					Item ID( "6", 1 )
				)
			), Legend Model(
				16,
				Properties(
					2,
					{Line Color( 0 ), Line Width( 4 )},
					Item ID( "Mean", 1 )
				)
			)}
		),
		Dispatch( {}, "", GraphBuilderContainerBox, {Select} ),
		Dispatch( {}, "Graph Builder", FrameBox( 2 ),
			{DispatchSeg( BarSeg( 1 ), {Line Width( 3 )} )}
		),
		Dispatch( {}, "400", LegendBox,
			{Legend Position(
				{11, [-3, -3, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1], 13, [-1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1,
				-1, -1], 16, [-3, -3, 0, -3]}
			)}
		)
	)
);

Re: Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

Chris_Kirchberg — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 17:09:21 GMT

@MathStatChem

I got it. I split the data based on Curve Group so Y A and Y B are their own columns. Then put them both on Y. I added line element twice and use CurveID as Overlay. For one of the lines I removed the Overlay Variable to get the mean for A and B. The rest was manipulating thickness and colors of lines via legend and Customize.

I attached split table.

Re: Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

MathStatChem — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 17:36:27 GMT

Ok, that works. Still a bit clunky. And in my actual analysis project that I want to do this for, I have dozens of curve groups, and I would want to be able to filter on the curve group...which would require a very wide split table, but would not allow easily filtering on curve group. It would be nice to be able to this with a stacked table.

Re: Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

MathStatChem — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 17:42:11 GMT

I added a link for this thread to https://community.jmp.com/t5/JMP-Wish-List/Graph-Builder-Overlay-by-multiple-columns/idi-p/188405

Re: Create Curve Plots with Overall Average Curve and Individual Replicate Curves

hogi — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:09:58 GMT

related post:

this is a quite standard type of graphs - unfortunately, or this type of graph JMP stands far behind other tools.

There are creative workarounds, like reformatting the data table (add columns, add dummy rows) or reformatting the graph (plot by row order and hide the reverse jumps by setting the opacity to 0, original post by @XanGregg )

one example:

dt = Open( "$DOWNLOADS/example curve data.jmp" );
dt:X << Set Modeling Type( "Continuous" );

New Column( "falling X",
	Character,
	Formula( If( :X - Lag( :X ) < 0, "", :Curve Group ) ),
);

Graph Builder(
	Size( 518, 448 ),
	Show Control Panel( 0 ),
	Summary Statistic( "Median" ),
	Graph Spacing( 4 ),
	Variables(
		X( :X ),
		Y( :Y ),
		Overlay( :Curve Group ),
		Color( :falling X )
	),
	Elements(
		Line( X, Y, Legend( 6 ), Ordering( "Row Order" ) ),
		Line( X, Y, Color( 0 ), Legend( 7 ) )
	),
	SendToReport(
		Dispatch( {}, "400", ScaleBox,
			{Legend Model(
				6,
				Properties( 0, {Transparency( 0 )}, Item ID( "Missing", 1 ) ),
				Properties( 1, {Transparency( 0.5 )}, Item ID( "A", 1 ) ),
				Properties( 2, {Transparency( 0.5 )}, Item ID( "B", 1 ) )
			), Legend Model(
				7,
				Properties( 0, {Line Color( 3 )}, Item ID( "A", 1 ) )
			)}
		)
	)
);

real solutions:
a) :

b) Implement a one-click option in Graph Builder to hide the jump-back lines:

Both wishes collected many Kudos over the years, so let's hope that one of them will be implemented soon ...